You say that all nations descend from mitochondrial Eve. You also say this is not Biblical Eve.
I guess I'm asking, how do you know that Mitochondrial Eve is not Biblical Eve?
Splash
The Truth about Eve...... is there more to the story, and has it been hidden by religion ?
by *lost* 33 Replies latest watchtower bible
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adamah
lost said:
When Adam named Eve
Adam's naming of Eve is his only recorded response to Gods punishment.
It was after the banishment, after they sinned and during this banishment that Adam named Eve.
Saying that she would be the Mother of those who live in clans or civilisations.
A comparison to the story of Pandora is helpful, since the story of Adam and Eve seems to be based on the same basic form used in far-older versions of the same Greek myth. Eve being the mother of ALL mankind is likely a minor tweak of Pandora ("ALL gifts", perhaps an intentionally-ironic name, since she released more than "gifts", but also disease, pain, suffering, etc).
Eve also gets the blame for introducing evil into the World, after being seduced by her "desire" for the wisdom offered by the forbidden fruit (where part of her punishment was for her desire to be placed below Adam's desires for her. She wanted to obtain wisdom of a God, but her punishment was to place her BELOW Adam (who also gained wisdom by eating the fruit) in the chain of command, hence the misogyny of Paul's "wives, be in submission", who quoted the example of Eve to justify it).
From:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora
In Classical Greek mythology dating to Hesiod, Pandora was the first human woman created by the deities, specifically by Hephaestus and Athena on the instructions of Zeus. [ 4 ] [ 5 ] As Hesiod related the Pandora myth, each of the deities helped create her by giving her unique gifts. Zeus ordered Hephaestus to mold her out of earth as part of the punishment of humanity for Prometheus' theft of the secret of fire, and all them joined in offering her "seductive gifts."
According to the Hesiodic myth, however, instead of giving bountiful gifts, Pandora opened a jar (pithos), in modern accounts sometimes mistranslated as "Pandora's box" (see below), releasing all the evils of humanity—although the particular evils, aside from plagues and diseases, are not specified in detail by Hesiod—leaving only Hope inside once she had closed it again. [ 6 ] She opened the jar out of simple curiosity and not as a malicious act. [ 7 ]
The myth of Pandora is ancient, including ones lost. Even the surviving Hesiodic Pandora myth appears in several distinct Greek versions that have been interpreted in many ways. In all surviving literary versions, however, the myth is a kind of theodicy, addressing the question of why there is evil in the world. In the seventh century BC, Hesiod, both in his Theogony (briefly, without naming Pandora outright, line 570) and in Works and Days, gives the earliest literary version of the surviving Pandora story.
It's extremely likely that the Hebraic version in Genesis is inspired by the Greek story, being a slightly-modified version of the same tale. Remember that under the influence of the Persian Empire, Hebrew ambassadors who were released from Babylonian captivity regularly rubbed shoulders with the ambassadors sent from Greece. That's the basis of the Emperial Authorization Theory, where Jews were required to assemble the Torah into a written form that would allow them to gain limited powers of self-rule under the Persian Empire (who demanded they have a written book of law).
Adam
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*lost*
Adamah - this topic is not about Pandora or Greek mythology, sorry, but please stick to the topic, otherwise it will go off on all tangents.
thanks.
splash - the source information is given, you can check it out for yourself
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adamah
Lost said-
Adamah - this topic is not about Pandora or Greek mythology, sorry, but please stick to the topic, otherwise it will go off on all tangents.
The topic is clearly-stated: "Is there more to the story that is being hidden by religion"?
My comment apparently is PAINFULLY TOO on-topic for some, but whether you or anyone else WANTS to consider the available evidence from respected Hebrew Biblical scholars (such as John Van Seters, in Prologue to Genesis) who've forgotten more than you or I can HOPE to know is another matter, indeed....
Adam