by *lost* 33 Replies latest watchtower bible
According to the story, A&E died because they could not get to the tree of life without beeing sliced by the rotating meat cutters.
they died a natural death.
The tree of life must have been an antidote to any culinary misstep of Eve.
Her fault was serving an unbalanced diet.
moral: with the fruit from the tree of knowledge you serve fruit of life.
make it a fruit salad and you live beyond 900.
you live to see another (1000 year) day.
LV101 much better now, thank you. Ex-Husband stil trying to grind me into the gutter, lol, still in my 'prison'.
mp no worries, I did get a bit of cog-dis though, lol. My apologies for being snappy. Very stressed lately.
edited to add: It was thought horse's were ruled by the stallion, not so, it is a matriachal society, the mares rule, the stallion protects. but as he is stronger, he can physically eject a mare from the herd.
Elephants are also matriachal.
@blue
I recall seeing a family tree and Adam died not that long before Noah. Its kinda silly but thats how it works out.
@blue
I recall seeing a family tree and Adam died not that long before Noah. Its kinda silly but thats how it works out.
Say what? I don't remember any mention of Adam being on board the Ark? (or Maybe God killed him in the Flood for creating such a mess, in the first place....)
Adam
There is so much that is 'lost in translation'.
Apparently, it is not so simple to translate Hebrew into English, without losing the 'sense/ethos' of the word/language.
We can still see this today, with languages and translation.
Also, we now know that there is a lot of mis-representation / corruption, of words etc in the Bible.
Snake - is that the proper translation of the original word ?
'Nachash' and what does it symbolise/represent ?
We have to go back to the beginning, and re-learn everything we thought we knew as truth and fact. As now we know we were taught many lies.
Whether one believes or not is irrelevant, I want to find answers to my thoughts, questions etc, the what, where, when and why.
The truth got buried by the RCC and counterfeit christianities. Before this, it became buried and corrupted by the Jews, before that the Hebrews, the inclusion of so many Babylonian pagan customs etc.
wiki
The symbol of a serpent or snake played important roles in religious and cultural life of
ancient Egypt, Canaan, Mesopotamia and Greece.
the serpent was a symbol of evil power and chaos from the underworld as well as a symbol of
fertility, life and healing.
Nachash - is also associated with divination,
including the verb-form meaning to practice divination or fortune telling and
Saraph - to describe vicious serpents in the wilderness and
Tanniyn - a from of dragon monsters
Serpent is a symbol of wisdom.
Was adam with Eve when the serpent deceived her.
Hebrew word for ''with'' implies joint action, communal action or action in company.
Gen 3v1-5 - conversation 'you' 'we', was the serpent talking to both.
Both eat - eyes of both become open. Adam must of been present.
If adam was there all along, his silence is indeed curious, but it would seem his presence is implied.
Perhaps Adam was allowing Eve to listen to the serpent, Adam blamed Eve, blamed God.
Perhaps Satan had already influence Adam, and they colluded to use Eve.
www.geocreationsim.com gives some good explanations.
(Strongs C )- Nachash for snake comes from its verb-form which means to ''hiss''. whispering, magic spell or telling a prophecy or predicting the future.
Sneakiness is implied, enchantment.
The Serpent - Satan was shrewder than the animals but was not necessarily an animal himself.
''your seed'' to Satan and his miniions, which include the demons cast out of Heaven, the giants that would be conceived between the demons and women and even those people who become willing followers of Satan.
Gen 3 was never about a real snake.
Was Eve the Mother of All Living? www.geocreationism.com
Gen 3v20 the Mother of All Living ?
Why would the Nother of death be named the Mother of all living ?
The Hebrew is not properly translated, there are a variety of translations.
The Mother of Humankind ?
(Dr JH.Hertz 'Pentatuech + Haftorahs - the translation is incorrect. Render, the Mother of humankind.)
Otherwise, some word must be supplied after 'living' so as to exclude animal life (onkeos,saadyah)
(W.Robertson Smith - has shown that the word chay in the text, is the primitive Semetic word for 'Clan'.
Eve was the Mother of everyliving Clan, the Mother of Mankind.)
Who are the Living?
Mapping the worlds development to the literal wording of scripture demonstrates that mankind existed long before Adam and Eve were born.
If God created humans 200,000 yrs before Eve was born, then not all humans descended from her.
What we can conclude from Gen 3v20 is that Eve's fate was to be the Mother of all human 'Clans' before her Fall and banishment she wasn't.
When Adam named Eve
Adam's naming of Eve is his only recorded response to Gods punishment.
It was after the banishment, after they sinned and during this banishment that Adam named Eve.
Saying that she would be the Mother of those who live in clans or civilisations.
Hasn't science proven that we all descend from some common woman in the past ?
''Mitochondrial Eve''
200,000 yrs ago, when homo-sapiens began to appear in the fossil record.
So, Biblical Eve is not the physicall Mother of us all;
Africa, china, India etc all descend from Mtch Eve, but not Biblical Eve.
Adam and Eve were leaving the garden as the first and only people to know God and right from wrong.
(God) knowing how easy it was to succumb to temptation. He realised that as knowledge of right and wrong spread,
so would sin spread throughout the world ..... and it did.
In this respect, Eve was not the Mother of humankind yet, but she would be, just as Adam had said.
So not only did all sin start with Eve, but our salvation came through her seed... Jesus.
Adam only named the living.
A reference to those with spiritual awareness ?
or perhaps those saved through her seed, Jesus ?
Temptation, Sin, Punishment, Prophecy of redemption - The Spiritual Element is realised.
The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it.
adam was unique among men, having been chosen by God for a special purpose.
The first righteous man.
The first chosen man in the earthly line that would lead to christ.
This is the Account
Gen 2v4 - a summary of creation to v7 where the real topic of Gen 2 begins.
Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.
As a summary for Gen 1 v4-6 describe the initial conditions of the earth.
(from 4.5 billion yrs ago) surprisingly well.
It describes the conditions by mainstream science as well as the scriptural description.
Gen 2 v7 can summarise the next 4 billion years as follows ...
7a then the LORD Gid formed a man.
scripture describes the process, this process was evolution ( but not Godless)
With Adam, God did something He had done with no other man.
7b (He) breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and the man became a living being.
Naphach - breathed conveys a sense of breathing something out (like a soul)
or stirring something up (like a fire)
It is suggestive of God breathing out his own spirit into adams nostrils and stirring up the fire of Adams soul.
it suggests Adam was born again, the first to be given a ''new life'' as Jesus described to Nicodemus in John 5.
Gen 2 v7a Adam was born of water, flesh giving birth to flesh
Gen 2 v7b is where he was born again.
the spirit giving birth to spirit.
Adam was born again and became mankinds connection to God.
Later, he would become mankinds separation from God.
New life would give way to new death.
*lost* can you please explain this statement you made: "Africa, china, India etc all descend from Mitochondrial Eve, but not Biblical Eve."
What's the difference between them?
Splash
I don't understand what it is you are asking.
what exactly are you asking me to explain that isn't in the text ?
you can go to the source directly and look it up for youself.
