Symposium with a talk about "Human Apostates"

by Prime 51 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • jgnat

    Well, that's a relief then. I'm not at all as the WTS portrays apostates. I'll tell my JW hubby that he's mistaken when he accuses me of "apostate thinking".

  • The Quiet One
    The Quiet One

    Must be a troll..Why start the topic then not bother to respond?

  • Vidiot

    He's kind of an apologist, actually.

  • The Quiet One
    The Quiet One

    Not a very good one if so.. I've been on the two other threads that he's heavily participated in, and he just dissapears when people point out the daft things he says..

  • Prime

    Then this talk describes very few. And if it describes very few who've left the religion, then why even have the talk?

    Few or many, there are individuals that have done things described in the talk.

    "For instance, in one country a news report instigated by apostates falsely stated that Jehovah’s witnesses supported Hitler’s regime during world war two."

    When the Watchtower's German operations came under attack by the Nazi government in 1933, Rutherford sent a Letter and Declaration to Hitler, in which he could rightfully praise Hitler for his anti-Anglo/American campaign and his stance against the Jews.

    Initially, leaders of the Jehovah's Witnesses sought to find a way to work with the Nazi government. In October 1934, the leadership sent a letter to the Reich government, explaining the Witnesses' core beliefs and their commitment to political neutrality. The letter stated that Jehovah's Witnesses "have no interest in political affairs, but are wholly devoted to God's Kingdom under Christ His King." German authorities responded with economic and political harassment. Witnesses who continued to missionize or who refused to participate in Nazi organizations lost their jobs and their unemployment and social welfare benefits, or were arrested.

    In response to Nazi efforts to destroy the group, Jehovah's Witnesses became an island of spiritual resistance to the Nazi demand for absolute German commitment to the state. The International Society of Jehovah's Witnesses fully and publicly supported the efforts of its brethren in Germany. At an international convention in Lucerne, Switzerland, in September 1936, Witness delegates from all over the world passed a resolution severely condemning the Nazi regime. The international organization also produced literature denouncing Nazi persecution of Jews, Communists, and Social Democrats, criticizing the remilitarization of Germany and the Nazification of its schools and universities, and attacking the Nazi assault on organized religion.

  • jgnat

    Not false, is it?

    The talk is guilty of a number of fallacies including Composition, Division, Begging the Question and Biased Generalization.

  • cantleave

    That letter to Hitler from Rutherford seems pretty much supportive of his ideals and regime.

  • Londo111

    I don’t think this shows that Jehovah’s Witnesses as a group supported the Nazis, however, some leading officials in the Watchtower Society did write a letter of appeasement that contained many questionable lines.

    For instance, that the Bible Students “are fighting for the very same high ethical goals and ideals which also the national government of the German Reich proclaimed” If the Society never said this, then we need to be enlightened otherwise.

    When I first was waking up to TTATT, I didn’t trust JWFacts. It took quite some time for me to realize that it is a pretty factual website, just as it claims to be. Paul Grundy strives to stick to the facts. It may not be flattering at times, but he is open to correction, if you find something genuinely incorrect. He is hardly a mentally diseased raving lunatic.

  • man oh man
    man oh man

    For some reason this letter was not mentioned at my DC? I told my wife about it and that she could read the letter for herself and it was never mentioned?

    The way I see it is we are just whistle blowers and are not looking for any following. They can't tell what the apostates really are in their talk as that would give to much away that they are trying to hide.

    Wear the label and wear it proud!

  • Prime
    That letter to Hitler from Rutherford seems pretty much supportive of his ideals and regime.

    If a tyrannical dictator starting victimizing certain ethnicities or creeds under the guise of “nationalism,” trying to reason with an unreasonable person to get him to stop, will likely be ineffective. It's sort of paradox so no, Rutherford didn't tell the Third Reich what he really thought.

    g95 8/22 p. 6 The Evils of Nazism Exposed

    On the eve of Hitler’s taking power, The Golden Age of January 4, 1933, said: “There looms forth the menacing promontory of the National Socialist movement. It seems incredulous that a political party so insignificant in its origin, so heterodox in its policies, can, in the space of a few years, develop into proportions that overshadow the structure of a national government. Yet Adolf Hitler and his national socialist party (the Nazis) have accomplished this rare feat.”

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