Change of 144000 doctrine?

by Julia Orwell 43 Replies latest jw friends

  • Julia Orwell
    Julia Orwell

    A friend of mine just got given a recording of the last CA which was held here a couple of weeks ago and she said there's been a change to the 144k teaching. She didn't understand what the hell they were rabbiting on about. She's really waking up as a result of all these changes, and so are some others she knows.

    Anyone know of any change to the 144k doctrine?

  • Londo111

    Maybe it is the change in teaching that the Slave is not the remnant of the 144000 but the Governing Body? That all the other of the "annointed" remnant are Domestics along with the "Other Sheep"?

  • Simon

    They keep inching along until they'll get to the point that they (the GB) are really the mediators or 'Jesus Class' and then one day, the Saviours or 'Jehovah Class'.

    "All worship us, and do as we tell you ... and stay alert 'cause it'll all change tomorrow"

  • Julia Orwell
    Julia Orwell

    Hey Londo, you're probably right.

    And Simon, you know it's true...

  • steve2

    Change is easy if you know how. The only change that would make sense is to add a few zeros to the number (14,000,000) to reduce the need to go through reasoning contortions to defend a teaching that flies in the face of the evidence. Even among Watchtower adherents alone (from 1876 until the present), the number professing a heavenly hope would easily exceed 144,000.

  • designs

    When the numbers get all screwy remember the old fall back- 'many are called but few are chosen'.

  • Listener

    It may be this in the July 15, 2013

    Watchtower Paragraph 8:

    [2] One of the events mentioned in these verses is the ‘gathering of the chosen ones.’ (Matt. 24:31) Hence, it appears that all anointed ones who still remain on earth after the initial part of the great tribulation has passed will at some point be raised to heaven before the outbreak of the battle of Armageddon. This adjusts what was stated on this subject in “Questions From Readers” in The Watchtower of August 15, 1990, page 30.

  • designs

    Pre-Trib to Mid-Trib, man you have to hand to these guys on having no embarrassment over change.

  • punkofnice

    Too many were claiming to be 'announted(TM)'. So the GB told us those partaking of the crackers and vinegar were nutters.

    August 15, 2011 Watchtower (the study edition) pg 22 QfR: Memorial partakers. This is the number
    of baptized individuals who partake of the emblems at the Memorial worldwide. Does this total represent the number of anointed
    ones on earth? Not necessarily. A number of factors—including past religious beliefs or even mental or emotional imbalance—might cause some to assume mistakenly that they have the heavenly calling. We thus have no way of knowing the exact number of anointed ones on earth; nor do we need to know. The Governing Body does not keep a list of all partakers, for it does not maintain a global network of anointed ones.

    What a nice excuse for the Governing Paedophile Loving Body to assume total control.

    This is how I see the structure....

    The Governing Body = Higher than god (possibly ‘mentally imbalanced’ as they also claim to be ‘anointed’)

    Jehovah(TM) doesn't exist. Jesus doesn't exist. Only the Governing Body exist who are lovers of paedophiles.'Anointed' = All mental cases to be swept under the rug
    Rank & File = Unworthy drones – Mustn’t trust each other
    'Apostates' = pretend enemy & mental cases. Must be slaughtered by the elders.

    Paedophiles = To be protected at all times using the R&Fs money

    Obey the Governing Body and DO MORE or Jehovah™ will lovingly murder us SOON* (Using anti-matter from Alcyone). How Happifying.

    *(Terms and conditions apply and are subject to 'overlapping' or ‘New Light’™or which ever makes the GB appear to be much higher than God!)

  • Londo111

    As far as a doctrinal endgame, it wouldn’t surprise me now that everybody’s a domestic, the line gets erased, or at the very least, the 144000 becomes symbolic.

    Theologically, the two-tiered system is untenable, but they’ve differentiated the tiers that matter to them the most:

    (1) Governing Body

    (2) Everybody else.

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