My JW Experiences and Living in No Mans Land

by wizzstick 32 Replies latest jw friends

  • wizzstick
    wizzstick

    Following my first post (http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/253883/1/My-Story-a-kinda-newbie-from-the-UK), this one is more around my experiences of being a JW and where I am in my head today.

    The 80s were, in retrospect, the last great decade of the Truth in the UK. Lots of ‘proper’ pioneering (90 hours), lots of calls, lots of studies, lots of interest. Enough to make it all interesting. Driving this buzz was the sense that Armageddon was imminent.

    My father was never a JW, and was very opposed. So I started to attend meetings when I was legally able to do so in 1986. I look back on my first congregation with a lot of affection. It was a mixed bag of people, mostly intelligent (there was a brother who could read Greek and Hebrew), sane people who were left of centre JW’s. What do I mean by that? It was local terminology that was used round those parts, based on politics. If someone was a hardliner, they were called right wing, if someone was very liberal they were called left wing. Using politics to illustrate where people were in their attitude towards the Truth kind of underlines what kind of people these were. Interested in the world around them and could use it in a fun way.

    We had some fruitcakes. There was a batty sister who said and did crazy stuff. She answered once using the old Heineken lager ad line (Refreshes the parts other beers can not reach) to describe the Holy Spirit (Refreshes parts other spirits can not reach!). A retired vicar started to come to meetings and shouted down a microphone, a local nutty woman rolled up in a wedding dress and declared she was the bride of Christ…but by and large the ‘pillars’ of the congregation were left of centre types who didn’t interfere with your life and were a good bunch.

    So I started to pioneer, as I wanted to do more. Well, I knew I couldn’t in all honesty do 90 hours but I could do 60, so regular auxiliaried. Most of the younger ones in the cong had faded by now, so I started hanging around with a slightly younger bunch (5 years younger) some of whom were looking to do a house share. Three of us did one, and had a blast. We got in to trouble with a more right wing neighbouring cong for distributing invites like confetti at Norwich DC for our house party (it even had an elder baiting line “You’ll get higher than a hippy at an open air festival”) and it was heaving in there. But we were pretty good. Weekly WT studies were tried, but fizzled out.

    The ministry in the 90s was getting really hard. My pioneer partner struggled to get to 90 and then struggled to get to 70 when it dropped. A pioneer couple in their 40s had lots of tricks to share. Like planning out a series of country calls so rather than doing the closest ones all in one visit you did one in one village, and one in another so that you’d spend most of the time driving. Day after day! I struggled with this initially as it bothered my conscience, but in time I developed various ruses for getting the time in. Shopping for sick calls, cinema visits with kids (see that lovely mountain on the screen, one day the whole world will look like that). Crazy in retrospect. As if this is what Jesus had in mind. Of course I became an MS during this time and was being tipped for being an elder.

    As I mentioned in my first post, the ’95 Generation change surprised me. But I was zealous and still thought the end would come. As the 2000’s rolled through doubts started to appear and my zeal dropped. When I moved to London I really started to focus on developing a career. I got a job on the road for most of the week, and missed lots of meetings. After a move to a new cong I wasn’t made up as an MS as the old cong didn’t recommend me but frankly I didn’t care. I felt that I’d given enough and now it was time to take back. But I felt bad feeling like that and hoped to be in a stronger position soon.

    It was only after the 2010 Generation change that I started to really question things. It struck me as amazing to hear elders say how wonderful this new understanding was, when these same ones had been up once saying how the generation of 1914 would definitely not pass away! People just don’t seem to get it. What is a comparison?

    I reasoned like this with a close friend. Imagine Moses before Pharaoh:

    “Pharaoh let god’s people go!”

    “No!”

    “Ok tomorrow you shall have a plague of rats.”

    Moses comes back before Pharaoh a few hours later.

    "Sorry, I’ve had a new understanding on this. It’s a plague of frogs. Not rats…. just so you know.”

    It’s crazy! You can’t imagine such a scenario. Yet that’s what we’re supposed to swallow.

    I’ve pointed out to a couple of friends that Christmas could be a good example of the light getting brighter. They didn’t realise its pagan origins, then they did so it stopped. That’s more like the process round the circumcision issue. One issue, one meeting, one prayer for guidance and then one outcome.

    Compare that to the Last Days, or blood, or generations, oral sex or the other flip-flops. How are we supposed to trust an organisation to give guidance to our kids on higher education or provide real spiritual food at the proper time when they cock so much up?

    So I’m done with it in my head? Right? But I’m not.

    This is what I mean by being in no mans land.

    On one hand, I still believe they are right on the core basics. Really the stuff Russell did. Using gods name, Jesus the ransom, a mortal soul, god not being part of a trinity, and paradise restored. I really do. Am I captive to the big concept? A m I too early in my journey? Or is that bit really true?

    The JW’s are neutral (by and large anyway, I know about the UN thing and the Hitler letter but that’s not much from an 130 year history – look at how political the Mormons are in comparison) and that is something that Jesus stressed on his last night on earth. So that’s another plus.

    But on the other hand there’s the above crap. The many unfulfilled statements and predictions. Which clearly do not come from God.

    This is the current theory I have that I went through with my friend last night. That God is using the JW’s but only to do one thing, the Kingdom preaching work. The rest is all made up. All of the rest is the interpretations of men. He tolerates them as they they’re doing the one thing he wants: t he kingdom preaching work

    It’s not a brilliant theory. Why allow them to make up so much crap in your name? He didn’t do that in either the time when the Hebrew or Greek scriptures were writte n .

    As I said to another friend, who wouldn’t want this to be true? To live in peace in paradise on earth. Fulfilling ones personal potential and being at one with nature and God. Seeing dead ones back. Never dying.

    So the basics I still believe, the rest is crap. For now anyway. It feels pretty lonely in no mans land!

    Does anyone else get what I mean?

  • zed is dead
    zed is dead

    wizz,

    Welcome, and glad you are here!

    I can relate to much of your story. You are now just beginning to free your mind. Let me make a suggestion to you. I know that you still have hope for some of the promises you were taught. But start completely over with a clean slate. I started with "is the sky blue?"

    Then you will be able to get a clearer picture of what real truth is. Read other peoples experiences and learn from their journeys. Then evolve into the "you" that is healthy and whole.

    Best of luck to you on this roller coaster ride!

    zed

  • StAnn
    StAnn

    Not to put you down but a lot of what you still believe can't be backed up. If you really do believe what you say you do, you should look into the Bible Students. They left the Society after Rutherford took over and began changing what Russell taught. They still follow Russell's teachings, which you have just espoused.

  • wizzstick
    wizzstick

    I could never go to another lot StAnn.

    It's simply what I believe. If anything I'll fade with these beliefs (if they stay), but otherwise I'm done with religions!

  • happytobefree
    happytobefree

    wizzstick,

    This is the current theory I have that I went through with my friend last night. That God is using the JW’s but only to do one thing, the Kingdom preaching work. The rest is all made up. All of the rest is the interpretations of men. He tolerates them as they they’re doing the one thing he wants: t he kingdom preaching work

    Please explain...because what I understand...they are not preaching the Gospel of Jesus Chritst...but are in the work of converting people to the WTBS.

    What do you see them preaching?

  • AnnOMaly
    AnnOMaly

    I get what you mean. You ARE early in your journey - where I was about 10 years ago. You've only scratched the gilt off the surface and there's A LOT to be revealed about what it's really made of underneath if you chip more off.

  • StAnn
    StAnn

    I'm with AnnOMaly. You've just scratched the surface. I do think you should read the webpage with the history of the Bible Students. You will find it eye opening re: the WTS. http://www.internationalbiblestudents.com/history.html

  • breakfast of champions
    breakfast of champions

    I like your Moses/rats illustration. That's a good one!

    As far as the no-man's-land effect, yeah, been there. The first question I asked myself when I realized it was a crock (also after the 2010 overlapping generations thing) was How do I know what I know? I just went from there. .. .

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    Thanks for sharing. When was the last time you were able to share - fully - your beliefs, fears, thoughts?

  • wizzstick
    wizzstick

    happytobefree,

    What do you see them preaching?

    When I've explained about the Kingdom preaching work on the ministry I've always seen that as a overaching phrase that covers the setting up of God's kingdom on earth (Daniel 2:44/Matt 6:10) which is accomplished by Jesus (thus covering the gospel of Jesus bit) as King of God's Kingdom.

    It makes sense to me. God Kingdom on earth sorts outs mankinds issues.

    As I say, that's where I am right now. That may change as I learn more.

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