Faithful
Gweedo said >>>>>>>> Maybe God could have just programmed these lessons he wants us to learn into our DNA or hard wire it to our brain ... like in the Matrix.You really didn't like that dummy thing, did you...
Sorry, Gweedo, I didn't see "The Matrix." A dummy like me was probably reading a book at the time. One without pictures.
Oh the persecution.
Ok, I apologise for calling you that...
Man, you guys are something else. Let's see. You say if God had done it your way - the right way - the "Matrix" way - he would not have had to expose you to any evil for you to learn any lessons from it.He could have given us some kind of instinctive knowledge. Hardwired his lessons into our DNA or brain from an early age...why not? That would not make us "unfree"
And then if you were never exposed to any evil you would never be able to be corrupted by it.whatever...
Im simply saying he could have possibly taught us his lessons without having to physically torture many people...as in this world
Because if there was nothing to corrupt you, or as Joe would have it if you were incorruptible to begin with, you would automatically be worthy of eternal life.Which you say God should have given you to begin with anyway.whatever
And you say God should appear right in front of you so there will be no doubt about his existence.wouldn't that be a good idea? Why couldn't he do that. Its not too much trouble is it?
You guys have got it all figured out how God should have done it. He should have made nothing that might corrupt you, or made you incorruptible, so you wouldn't have to go to any trouble taking a stand against evil and for what is right. He should have put any thing he wanted you to learn or know already in your head to begin with, so you wouldn't have to go to any trouble learning anything.I said...again...he could programme his lessons into our mind or DNA. Seems like a better way of doing something than allowing torture. The matrix is a good analogy. A loving God, if he can avoid torture, should do so shouldn't he?
And he should appear right in front of you, so you wouldn't have to go to all the trouble of deciding for yourself whether God exists and whether you should serve him.He should give me real evidence of his existence...why not. At the moment the only decision I can make, based on the evidence, is that God doesn't exist. A god that so badly wants to be worshipped and yet hides his existence so well is a rather strange God.
Once he had shown to me that he exists. I'd still decide whether I served him or not...I'd still make my own decision on the matter.
Then you say he should just give you eternal life, not because you have done anything that might in some small way make you worthy of it.NO
I'm saying God, A loving God, shouldn't allow torture like he does
Like maybe freely loving what is good and hating what is bad. No, that might require that you go to all the trouble of actually thinking, all by yourself. Because even that it seems would be too much trouble for you.I think your blabbering now...See above. My point was pretty simple
How dare God require anything at all from you, just because he is going to give you eternal life. Of all the nerve!talk about requirements....
I require from a Loving God that he act as a loving God should. Is that an unfair request? NO! If there is a better way of teaching a lesson than allowing people to suffer untold pain and suffering...then a loving God should teach his lesson that way.
anyway
The concept of a Loving God and the pain and suffering in this world have not been reconciled. I think a more than fair conclusion to make is that God doesn't exist.