The Watchtower's 'Lost Generation' (page 2)

Solace

Satan very busy?
Hmmmmmmm........
Isnt it possible that God has been very busy?
Could he be using the internet as his "channel" to expose the false teachings and prophecies of the W.T.S.? Not to mention all the pain they have caused.

MavMan

How can the org, inspired by god in 1967 to ban transplants, then be inspired by the same god (who never changes) in 1980 to allow them?

I did notice as I read through both articles that the writer claimed inspiration from god. It was based on the analysis of scriptures. I think the change came after being more informed. Medicine, including organ transplants, became more common during the 70's. It is true that Jehovah does not change, but he is not inspiring word for word what is published in the magazines, compared to the Bible.

Notice that in the 1967 Watchtower, not all transplants were discouraged. Artificial and animal organ transplants were left to ones conscience. I think the 1980 article was excellent in explaining why it is up to the persons conscience.

SEAKEN2001

Xander,

umm, I'm trying to think how I would have handled that question. Uhh...

Oh, how 'bout this?

Where did you get information? Who have you been talking to? Do you trust that the F&DS is directed by God or not?

That's the only way to handle it. The facts speak for themselves and there is no way I could explain it. But...

I didn't really want to talk about that. Let's change the subject. How 'bout those Yanks, eh? (That would have been a typical response from any of my "brothers" had I asked them such a question)

Sean

Imbue

The WT is never wrong. The reason 'we' are losing our young people is because parents are only studying with their children one hour a week. Then there are the 5 meetings a week plus forced field minstry. This makes only about 10 hrs a week of programing. Not enough programing that's the problem with this wicked generation.

It couldn't be the non-nurturing social structure the GB has built.

Xander

*** w65 6/1 352 Questions from Readers ***
but it is all a part of the advancement of Jehovah's theocratically controlled organization under the immediate direction of Jehovah God himself.

*** w64 5/1 277-8 Building a Firm Foundation in Christ ***
It is through the columns of The Watchtower that Jehovah provides direction and constant Scriptural counsel to his people.

So, just to be clear on this MavMan....you are then disagreeing with what the society says about itself cited above? And the 'word for word' bit is a distraction from the issue. Do you think the org put that prohibition and print and dropped the issue? No - judicial committees were formed, and could DF people after 'prayerful consideration', those who questioned the edict would sit in front of JCs...etc.

The whole org was AGAINST transplants, then not. There is no case of 'minor adjusment to doctrine' here. Was once black, now white.

ISP

Yep, I agree there is a 'lost' generation. I expect the JWs to become a religion of old people. In time you will just see old people coming out of the halls/on the ministry.

ISP

JeffT

An interesting contrast. The youth ministry at our church is thriving. They've put on some concerts that have brought in a lot of kids. We have our teen center with all sorts of games etc. At least once a month there's a special party night (very heavily chaperoned, but the kids have a lot of fun).

I know, Mav or somebody will say they are having their ears tickled, but that is not true. There are very serious sessions attached to these events, and trained counselors (I mean trained as in college degrees) to help them work through problems. They don't have to worry about getting kicked out if they talk about what is really going on in their lives.

The Watchtower does nothing to keep its young people, and more and more of them are realizing that they don't want to spend their lives washing windows or whatever.

metatron

MavMan, what you must realize is that Watchtower teachings
wreck families - and cause young people to rebel, become
hypocritical - and leave. IT IS NOT the case that parents
aren't teaching their children enough - in many cases, the
kids would be better off with NO family study!

Why? Let me explain the process to you AFTER SACRIFICING
HUGE AMOUNTS of time trying (unsuccessfully) to raise my
child as a Jehovah's Witness.

1) Far too much emphasis on the wrong qualities. Witness
kids grow up thinking that Christianity is attending
boring meetings and the pretense of a dead ministry
- INSTEAD OF A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. Result?
you get what you emphasize: phoney numbers of hours
- and kids pretending to be good until they can leave
home.

2) Lack of emphasis on love - Want loving kids? Teach
them that love is most important - not obeying
organizational dictates. Those who disagree with this
may suffer a hateful death spiral of threats and
heartache - in forcing their kid out of the house.
The organization offers words about charity - and then
abandons their own counsel on every circuit overseer's
visit - 'more hours, more meeting attendance'.

3) Sex - TWO CHAPTERS IN THE YOUTH BOOK ON MASTURBATION?
Are they nuts? The only boys who don't masturbate
are physically deficient - or lying.

4) By insisting on arbitrary meeting attendance and
participation in an often imaginary minstry, the
SOCIETY TEACHES PRETENSE AND HYPOCRISY. They also
encourage hypocrisy by employing corrupt elders
out of fear of losing control of congregations.
(same reason why Catholics retain bad priests).
The kids often know more about wrongdoing in the
congregation than the elders. Result? after being
forced into this world of pretense and BOREDOM,
the Witness kid tells himself:

"my parents are stupid religious fanatics"

and therefore

"I don't have to listen to anything they say"

NOW, do you UNDERSTAND?
Have I gotten thru to you? I observed this ugly process
FIRST-HAND - and still suffer from its effects. This explains
why so many Witness kids turn out worse than kids in the world!

There's MUCH more I could say about Watchtower wreckage of families.

In conclusion, I am reminded of a scripture - Acts 15:10

"Now, therefore, why are you making a test of God by imposing
a yoke upon the the neck of the disciples, that neither we nor
our forefathers were able to bear?"

Why, indeed?

metatron

JT

MavMan

Please consider these 2 points

1. How can the org, inspired by god in 1967 to ban transplants, then be inspired by the same god (who never changes) in 1980 to allow them?

I did notice as I read through both articles that the writer claimed inspiration from god. It was based on the analysis of scriptures.

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So was this "Analysis" to be viewed by the rank and file jw along with the billions of people making up mankind as Mere commentary on the part of the Watchtower's Writing Dept or was it to be viewed as "The divine will of God"?

If it was merely commentary then how could they Dfed someone on the grounds of not accepting the writing dept commentary/views/opinions.

Of course if it was was to be viewed as the Divinve will of god as they stated, then why did god change his mind and no longer consder it part of his divine will?

Yes it is a catch 22-

If you say it was merely "THEIR THOUGHT" on the matter then you lose the basis to DF folks for not agreeing with an Opinion.

If you say it was the divine will of god – then god changed his mind after telling not only jw but all the readers of the wt they should die instead of take a kidney.

Point #2

You stated:

"he is not inspiring word for word what is published in the magazines, compared to the Bible."

Well if you do your home work once again we see the wild claims that the wt makes for the wt has stated:

*** Yearbook 1935 page 52
"It is announced with confidence that the Lord uses the columns of the
Watchtower to transmit to his consecrated people things that he reveals to
them and provides for them to know"

You see Mavman this is the problem

I have stated many times that the wt would be just fine if they stayed with bible commentary for it allows one to give their opinion and change it anytime they want to, it also allows folks to disagree with out being considered rejecting God himself just because one doesn't agree with what the Writing Dept has written.

In fact there was a time when you could disagree "publicly" and not be Dfed, in fact it was welcomed:

To quote the Watchtower itself:
"The Watchtower... invites careful and critical examination of its contents in the light of the Scriptures." - Watchtower August 15, 1950 p. 263

yet today you are well aware that anyone who does this today is viewed as questioning god himself

SO MY suggestion to you is the same I often make- DO YOUR RESEARCH

So that you can speak intelligently and well informed on what the wt has taught on these issues then you want make off the cuff remarks not knowing that the WT did or still does teach certain things

Just my suggestion

gumby

Mav..Unfortunately, many Witness parents are only dedicating 1 hour (if that) to their family studies

I don't recall HOW MANY HOURS the bible recommended for families to study.
I do know MAN made a rule on time however.
Let's see.....10 hours a month for field service
1 hr. for family study
1 hr. to study watchtower together
At least some bible reading every day
Study for the school....study for the service meeting...study for bookstudy...personal study,
1 hr. if you have a study (usually way more)
Read the daily text, read all the magazines....and any new book, read the yearbook..............

You just might have time to get to know your family and friends and have some time to relax if you play your cards right.

Yes....these are required by Jehovah , if we are to be spiritualy strong, and well grounded in the truth for that soon top come FEAR INSPIRING DAY in which only those who are doing a good job at the mentioned REQUIRMENTS will endure.

Continue to feed at this rich spiritual table JEHOVAH has provided.......wait!.......ya.... he provided it, cuz the FDS SAID HE DID.

The Watchtower's 'Lost Generation'

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