Wind bag

by outonalimb 24 Replies latest jw friends

  • outonalimb
    outonalimb

    Larc,
    I hope this finds you well. Tried to post on the Kent thread, but alas it was closed. Wanted to reply to your statistics/meant to impress anyone that would take the time to read it without falling asleep paper. Nice try, that study was done in 1984 by team of graduate students @ Cornell, you merely added a twist by putting in a few variables that don't affect the outcome. Impressive.

    As far as Kent is concerned, you said

    :On his board there will be no sexually offensive material. On this board, he put up pornographic cartoons, having to do with butt fucking.

    Is it any less offensive for you to include the words butt fucking in your post, perhaps you could have said anal intrusion or do you prefer offensive e-mail? Maybe he wants his board to have standards. OK, but it was worth a shot.

    you said,
    :On his board, there are four moderators to keep out the trash. On this board, there are none.

    So apparently this board is full of trash, kinda like your study.

    you said
    :On Watchtower Observer, Kent violates copywrite laws all the time. If someone posts quotes from his domain to this one, he claims that it is illegal. One poster even has a disclaimer about quoting her. WOW!! I am impressed.

    I think it was actually meant to keep the war of the boards at bay
    until the smoke cleared. Someday that poster that has the disclaimer
    will reach literary heights you could only aspire to. Save her signature, it'll be worth something someday.

    you said:
    :I guess that good old loveable Kent is now living at the foot of the cross.

    Now ain't that the pot calling the kettle black.

    Mark Nelson, Julies significant other. Just so there is no confusion as to who I am.

    Edited to remove posts mistakenly posted below below.

  • larc
    larc

    Please provide a reference to this supposed study done by Cornel grad students. These results do not appear in standard tests and measurements texts. Also, Kevin Murphy the editor of the Journal of Applied Psychology is not aware of these results either. Another prominent I/O Psychologist Gerald V. Barrett is also unaware of the results. Barrett and Murphy and very well published and know the research literature extremely well, so again show me the reference. If the research, or part of it, has already been done, then the original work should be referenced.

  • plmkrzy
    plmkrzy
    you said,
    :On his board, there are four moderators to keep out the trash. On this board, there are none.

    So apparently this board is full of trash, kinda like your study.

    Apparently this board DIDN'T need any trash haulers.[8>]

    What the hell crawled up your ass and died? Have we been getting along too well? GEEEEEEEZZZZZ!!!

    Did Kents board close?? 4 Real??


    No matter how thin you slice it there are always two sides
  • teejay
    teejay

    Outonalimb,

    Larc: On his board there will be no sexually offensive material. On this board, he put up pornographic cartoons, having to do with butt fucking.

    Out: Is it any less offensive for you...

    tj: Larc states a matter of fact. Your response evades larc’s comment, wouldn’t you say? I think they call that a red herring.
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    Larc: On his board, there are four moderators to keep out the trash. On this board, there are none.

    Out: So apparently this board is full of trash, kinda like your study.

    Larc’s reference to the four moderators is a truth, plain and simple. Your response to it is a(nother) red herring.
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    Larc: On Watchtower Observer, Kent violates copywrite laws all the time. If someone posts quotes from his domain to this one, he claims that it is illegal. One poster even has a disclaimer about quoting her. WOW!! I am impressed.

    Out: I think it was actually meant to keep the war of the boards at bay until the smoke cleared. Someday that poster that has the disclaimer will reach literary heights you could only aspire to. Save her signature, it'll be worth something someday.

    Larc’s comments about kent’s ongoing abuse of copyright laws that comprises probably 95% of his website is so founded in fact that it barely needs mentioning. Your response addresses neither kent’s consistently blatant hypocrisy or the ridiculously laughable – not to mention totally useless! – disclaimer that a certain poster has at the end of her posts. Her eventual fame in the literary field has nothing to do with current events.
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    I must say, out... you write an awful lot like Julie. Are you sure you didn’t get some help composing this post?

    I thought Bigboi already exposed your disingenuous complicity a couple of weeks ago in which your attempted to be a newbie ‘defender’ of Julie without revealing to the board that you not only shared the same pc as her but were, in actual fact, her lesser half. One would think that you’d have learned.

    Guess not.

  • larc
    larc

    Outonalimb,

    What are the variables, that I included that don't change anything?

    I will make this multiple choice. The variables I mentioned are the following:

    1. alpha coefficients
    2. test-retest reiliabilities
    3. construct validity
    4. accuracy scores.

    I have reveiwed 30 accuracy score articles. None of them report the square root of construct validity being the same as accuracy score values. Perhaps, I missed one that had this information.

    Now, regarding the factors in human judgement. Visvervaran, Ones and Schmidt presented data in 1996 for alpha coefficients, construct validity and test-retest reliability. This data indicates that superverviors have 16% error in consistency at one point in time when rating employees. Furthermore, they have 16% error over time. This means that there is at least 32% total error. Therefore, the maximum construct validity would be .68. This is exactly the value they reported. Also, the square root of .68 is .825, which only .015 points lower than test-retest reliability. So again, two methods of calculation produce nearly the same results. Now, despite the fact that these authors had the data to do this analysis, they failed to do so. In fact, they made a major math mistake when determining the components of error. They subtracted alpha and test-retest from construct, rather than subtracting them from 1.00 as they should have. Now, Frank L. Schmidt is one of the post prominent researchers in the field, yet he made this basic mistake.

    Again, if you have some evidence to bear on this subject, you are doing a diservice to the Cornell researchers and to the scientific community, if you don't provide a reference.

    What say you?

  • Xena
    Xena

    hhhmmmm I would imagine there was a REASON Simon locked the other thread huh out? Just decided to circumvent that and start a new one? lol good thing Simon doesn't have a league of moderators here isn't it or your post would most likely be deleted, now wouldn't it?

  • rhett
    rhett

    Jesus accordian playing Christ! Let this stuff die. There's a reason why that thread is locked. If you've got a problem with either board don't post there.

    Back down the bullies to the back of the bus
    Its time for them to be scared of us

  • Beck_Melbourne
    Beck_Melbourne

    plmkrzy said: What the hell crawled up your ass and died? Have we been getting along too well? GEEEEEEEZZZZZ!!!

    Can we have an 'amen'!!!

    Beck

  • larc
    larc

    Xena,

    I think outonalimb is more interested in politics and stirring things up, than he is in science. It has been well over two hours now since his post, and not a comment on my comments. He wrote his post as if he had some familiarity with the concepts, but he has shown no follow up to give any evidence of this. I think he made it up. I would like to be proven otherwise, with an actual reference. We will see.

  • seven006
    seven006

    I am always amazed how seemingly intelligent and mature people can often resort back to their childhood by trying to choose up teams and intimidate others who they feel have wronged them. Let it go!

    Is this shit ever going to stop?

    Larc, I don't know what is going on with you but you seem to have been pulled down to a level of discourse that is way below your intelligence level. Why you continue to try and resurrect dead issues is only making you look like a much lesser person than many feel you are.

    This little game is sophomoric and unnecessary. Kent can be a huge jerk, that isn't anything everybody doesn't realize and that includes Kent himself. I have had a few combative words with him in the past and because of the respect we share for mutual friends we were able to work it out. What he has done in the past is in the past.

    So he won't let you play in his sandbox, so what. It's his sandbox and he can make the rules. If his rules look to be a bit hypocritical then maybe it's because he is still learning and growing and has not yet reached the state of balance that one would expect of someone who has done more positive things then negative. It's all about balance and in my estimation his scales are leaning a lot more to the positive. His style may be a bit barbaric at times but what the hell do you expect from a damn Viking anyway? It's in his blood.

    I have a lot of respect for you, what you have been doing ever sense the Tina issue is making you look bad and is slowly diminishing your credibility. As someone who respects you and your work could I ask you to please sit back and look at the direction you seem to be going. If you can look at this issue and your participation in it again, you might be able to put it in its proper perspective and let those who fell they need to choose up sides do so without you. I say this as a friend.

    This board has lost some valuable posters because of these little kiddy spates and I hate to see any more leave. Good, bad, opinionated, kind, abusive or what ever the style a poster has it is the positive aspects of their comments instead of the style in which it is delivered that is important. Take a moment and try to look at the big picture instead of the intrusive reflections of imperfect people with basic human insecurities. If people continue to act abrasively toward you the easiest and most effective way to stop it is to stop communication with them. Many have done this and it works.

    Out,

    I don't know you very well but it is obvious that you are defending your wife. No one can fault you for that, in fact I admire it. From what I have read from Julie's posts she is completely capable of speaking her mind and getting her points across. I ask you to do the same as Lark, please take another look at all of this and try to see if this type of discussion is really necessary. What do you gain from all of this? Is it so important to feel you are right and Larc is wrong? What does it all matter in the whole scheme of things? Julie defended Tina, they are friends, friends do that. Sometimes friends do it without very much objectivity. That is the way I saw it all and it's too bad. Why bring this issue that has brought a division to this board back and regurgitate it's tasteless matter? Tina makes mistakes, she has gone through some very sad situations in her life. She also has given this board some positive input. It was sad to see it all blow up the way it did.

    Julie and Tina as well as several others seem to have found a good place to post on Kent's board. Kent starting his own board seems to have solved a problem on this board but it has also cause this board to loose posters like Jan and Skipper. It's these petty little personality wars that brings this board down. Kent's board seems to be a good solution that has facilitated those who felt they needed to choose a side in what seems to have been a long running resentment between some old H2O posters. When the sides where chosen the only ones who truly lost were those who refused to choose sides and those who never posted on H2O. This choosing sides stuff is pure bullshit and very childish. Everyone involved knows better and are better people than this little war made them out to be.

    Sadly the division has occurred, what's done is done. Please let it be.

    Take care,

    Dave

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