Would you follow Ken Hovind to jail, btw? Currently serving a 10 year stint in a fed detention center....
He is in jail because the government wanted to shut him up.
There is no doubt that Adam wasn't the first man. How do believers get around that small fact?
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Terry
There is a category of writing that seeks to demonstrate some moral principle or human truth by presenting it as a "true" story.
This is Mythos. Aristotle contends in Poetics 13 that the most desirable plot involves ‘An in-between person who changes from good to bad fortune, due to hamartia, “error.”
The ancient Hebrew story of Adam and Eve falls into that category.
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Yan Bibiyan
He is in jail because the government wanted to shut him up.
Shut him up? Why?
There are plenty of other young earth creationists out there (including you, I presume) and the government is perfectly fine with them still talking...
If a silent atheist made the same financial transactions as Ken Hovind, never filed icnome tax returns and paid his employees under the table, guess where he'd be now. Right, in federal prision.
Use your head, please.
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Jeffro
jam:
How can anyone in their right mind believe this to be true in today age.
Duh. The answer is simple: If in doubt, 'God did a magic thing'.
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Vidqun
Perhaps Adam was the first man that could read and write? If that's the case he would stand out as "the first man." Language (and writing) as we know it, is not that old.
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sherry11
if you believe in creation maybe this isnt you
www.bbc.co.uk/sn/prehistoric_life/human/human_evolution/
food for thoughtfor everybody!!
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Seraphim23
Hello jam. I personally think that Genesis is parabolic in nature. On that level it is quite sophisticated with a number of aims and purposes. I think it tries to encapsulate spiritual truths from the point of view of the Jewish mind and in doing so uses religious themes from other faiths around at the time. I think it is quite a masterpiece on that level. The literalistic view of Genesis is an erroneous one and most of the literary devices in it will be lost on one reading it as history.
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Jeffro
Perhaps Adam was the first man that could read and write? If that's the case he would stand out as "the first man." Language (and writing) as we know it, is not that old.
Human language is significantly older than writing. Language 'as we know it' is tens of thousands of years old (as distinct from 'proto-languages, which are much older).
Writing didn't suddenly develop as the invention of one individual (and certainly not 'Adam'). It would be fairly pointless if there was only one person who could read and write anyway. Writing developed from rudimentary counting marks (i.e. for trade) thousands of years earlier (along with pictures), which were replaced by symbols to represent groups of things, and then symbols to represent other concepts.
'Adam' (a golem from Jewish folklore) never existed.
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Vidqun
Jeffro, interesting opinion. Perhaps our definitions should be more flexible. What exactly did the writer of Genesis mean? We just don't know. And do not make the common mistake of trying to dress Genesis (or any of the ancient writings) in a 21st Century jacket. It just won't fit. Here is a few interesting thoughts on the origin of writing and human civilization. Perhaps Adam was the first "civilized" man? Yes, I know it's a theory. If you do not like it, you have to disprove it. The adherents of the theory of a monogenetic origin of writing trace all writing systems to a single system. These discern the following steps in the development of writing: Pictographic writing > logographic writing (one sign, one word) > phonetic system. The oldest system of writing, probably invented in Mesopotamia after 3400 BCE, was a pictographic system. So, for example, a picture of the solar disc meant «sun» and «light». This logographic system was perfected until it became a phonetic system. About 3000 BCE Sumerian scribes supplemented their logographic system by introducing a phonetic or syllabic use of signs, making it an agglutanitive language: it is made up of elements which almost always consist of a single syllable. When Akkadian scribes took over this writing system, they inherited both logographic and phonetic signs. They would add new phonetic values based on Akkadian, as well as determinatives and semantic classifiers. These have a specialized logographic value: the determinative is a logogram preceding or following a word and identifying the class to which it belongs. It is not to be pronounced when reading the text aloud. Phonetic complements are added to a logogram to specify its reading. Phonetic (syllabic) values of a sign can be represented in alphabetic script. Due in part to the nature of the Summerian language, a given syllable in Akkadian may be represented by one of several signs. See J. T. Barrera, The Jewish and the Chrtistian Bible, Brill, Eerdmans (1998), p. 81. A different perspective on the origin and development of man from an economic and political perspective, see F. Fukuyama, The End of History and the Last Man, (1992). Fukuyama views Western Civilization as the final development in the evolution of mankind’s political aspirations. In man’s “struggle for recognition” he has at last reached a juncture called “liberal democracy,” which includes “liberal politics” and “liberal economics.” Although there would be room for nationalism in such a concept, harsh autocracies and dictatorships could not be tolerated. The break-up of the USSR, and more recently, “the Arab Spring” in Egypt, Libya, Syria, and Tunisia, are good examples of a natural movement towards some form of “liberal democracy.” Such a “universal and homogenous state,” Fukuyama views as “the end of history.” The “first men” would be engaged in bloody warfare on the battle field, whereas the “last men” would assert themselves in new and unforeseen ways in the economic and political arena. The fact that man’s aspirations to self-worth and recognition would to a large degree be attained, he has thus arrived as “the last man.”
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blondie
Moses' mother Jochebed married her nephew, Moses' father Amram.
http://bible.cc/exodus/6-20.htm
? Exodus 6:20 ?
New International Version (©2011)
Amram married his father's sister Jochebed, who bore him Aaron and Moses. Amram lived 137 years.New Living Translation (©2007)
Amram married his father's sister Jochebed, and she gave birth to his sons, Aaron and Moses. (Amram lived to be 137 years old.)English Standard Version (©2001)
Amram took as his wife Jochebed his father’s sister, and she bore him Aaron and Moses, the years of the life of Amram being 137 years.New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Amram married his father's sister Jochebed, and she bore him Aaron and Moses; and the length of Amram's life was one hundred and thirty-seven years.King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And Amram took him Jochebed his father's sister to wife; and she bare him Aaron and Moses: and the years of the life of Amram were an hundred and thirty and seven years.Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
Amram married his father's sister Jochebed, and she bore him Aaron and Moses. Amram lived 137 years.International Standard Version (©2012)
Amram married Jochebed, his father's sister, and she bore him Aaron and Moses. Amram lived for 137 years.NET Bible (©2006)
Amram married his father's sister Jochebed, and she bore him Aaron and Moses. (The length of Amram's life was 137 years.)GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Amram married his father's sister Jochebed. She gave birth to Aaron and Moses. Amram lived 137 years.King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
And Amram took him Jochebed his father's sister as wife; and she bore him Aaron and Moses: and the years of the life of Amram were a hundred and thirty and seven years.American King James Version
And Amram took him Jochebed his father's sister to wife; and she bore him Aaron and Moses: and the years of the life of Amram were an hundred and thirty and seven years.American Standard Version
And Amram took him Jochebed his father's sister to wife; and she bare him Aaron and Moses: and the years of the life of Amram were a hundred and thirty and seven years.Douay-Rheims Bible
And Amram took to wife Jochabed his aunt by the father's side: and she bore him Aaron and Moses. And the years of Amram's life were a hundred and thirty-seven.Darby Bible Translation
And Amram took Jochebed his aunt as wife; and she bore him Aaron and Moses. And the years of the life of Amram were a hundred and thirty-seven years.English Revised Version
And Amram took him Jochebed his father's sister to wife; and she bare him Aaron and Moses: and the years of the life of Amram were an hundred and thirty and seven years.Webster's Bible Translation
And Amram took him Jochebed, his father's sister, for a wife; and she bore him Aaron and Moses. And the years of the life of Amram were a hundred and thirty-seven years.World English Bible
Amram took Jochebed his father's sister to himself as wife; and she bore him Aaron and Moses: and the years of the life of Amram were a hundred and thirty-seven years.Young's Literal Translation
And Amram taketh Jochebed his aunt to himself for a wife, and she beareth to him Aaron and Moses: and the years of the life of Amram are a hundred and thirty and seven years.