Why I Stayed Married to my "Apostate" Husband for 30 Years. Help for those whose marriages are in trouble now that you have left The Lie.

by rubadubdub 35 Replies latest jw friends

  • rubadubdub
    rubadubdub

    I have to say I am surprised and am quite saddened to hear how many Jdub marriages fall apart when one partner becomes an "unbelieving mate" or even an "apostate." I thought I might post my thoughts on my thinking process during the time my hubby, bethelyellowdollarbag, in my Jdub thinking moved along the path from an "unbelieving mate" to an "apostate" over the course of 30 years before I finally woke up to TTATT. Perhaps if I explain my thought process, others who wish to keep their marriages intact might be able to use this information to help keep their Jdub partners in the marriage long enough for them to awaken. I hope it doesn't take 30 years in your case. With methods that have been outlined by Steve Hasaan and in informative threads on this and other ex-JW forums, perhaps you will have success. I sincerely hope that you do.

    This was my thinking (references provided below):

    1. I absolutely believed my husband to be an apostate. He told me he did not believe in the teaching about "this generation"; he did not believe in the value of Christ's ransom sacrifice and had rejected God's visible organization.

    2. I absolutely believed my spirituality was in danger, but my husband never prevented me from going to meetings, nor did he make it impossible for me to worship Jehovah.

    3. The only grounds for a divorce are adultery (porneia). Apostasy is not grounds for a scriptural divorce.

    4. I knew that Jehovah hates a divorcing, and no flimsy excuses would hold up with Him. I would have to "render an account" to Him.

    5. In my mind, a separation who most likely lead to a divorce.

    6. I feared my own "treacherous heart" and didn't trust myself to make such a huge decision.

    7. Jehovah promised to protect me spiritually.

    8. Jehovah promised that I would not be tested beyond what I could bear.

    9. Jehovah promised that he would help me endure and keep my integrity.

    10. I believed the marriage vow to be sacred.

    Even though "apostates" are so wicked that others should never even say a greeting to one or read the literature of "a known apostate", I believed I was expected rely on Jehovah's promises and stay in our marriage. This set me up for horrendous cognitive dissonance! Since I am posting here over 30 years after my hubby walked away, I think that it is pretty evident that my Jdub spirituality was in a state of absolute endangerment for decades, and yet I stayed, because I believed it was what Jehovah (and the elders) wanted me to do.

    I'm not saying marriage under these conditions and this thought process was in any way easy. In fact, it drove me to the brink of insanity. The elders in my local congregation know this, and I believe it is one of the reasons they are now taking a "hands off" approach. Time will tell. I've been out 19 months now and did not attend the Memorial this year for the first time (I went last year to appease my one remaining Jdub friend. Never again!)

    If you want a better chance of keeping your marriage together, assure your partner of your love and show it, while assuring his/her freedom to worship Jehovah as he/she chooses. I raised both of our children in The Lie. My daughter walked away when she turned 17 and headed off to college. My son was DF'd and was traumatized sufficiently that I do not fear he will return. With the exception of my dub-in-laws, our entire family is free!

    References:

    *** w88 11/1 pp. 22-23 pars. 12-13 When Marital Peace Is Threatened ***

    Absoluteendangermentofspirituality also provides a basis for separation. The believer in a religiously divided home should do everything possible to take advantage of God's spiritual provisions. But separation is allowable if an unbelieving mate's opposition (perhaps including physical restraint)makes it genuinely impossible to pursue true worship and actually imperils the believer's spirituality. . .Of course, if a baptized marriage partner acts like an apostate and tries to prevent his mate from serving Jehovah, the elders should handle matters according to the Scriptures. If disfellowshipping takes place in a case involving absolute endangerment of spirituality. . ., the faithful Christian who seeks a legal separation would not be going against Paul's counsel about taking a believer to court.-1 Corinthians 6:1-8.

    13 If circumstances are extreme, then, separation may be warranted. But flimsy pretexts obviously should not be used to obtain a separation. Any Christians who do separate must bear personal responsibility for that action and should realize that all of us will render an account to Jehovah.-Hebrews 4:13.

    *** it-1 p. 642 Divorce ***

    Nor does the Bible grant Christians the right to divorce their marriage mates because of difference in religion; it shows instead that by remaining with an unbelieving mate the Christian may win that individual over to the true faith.-1Co 7:12-16; 1Pe 3:1-7.

    (Malachi 2:16) For he has hated a divorcing," Jehovah the God of Israel has said; "and the one who with violence has covered over his garment," Jehovah of armies has said. "And YOU must guard yourselves respecting YOUR spirit, and YOU must not deal treacherously.

    *** w11 7/15 p. 12 par. 10 Will You Follow Jehovah's Loving Guidance? ***

    The Bible thus warns us: "The heart is more treacherous than anything else and is desperate. Who can know it?" (Jer. 17:9)

    *** w10 1/15 p. 9 par. 10 Belonging to Jehovah-An Undeserved Kindness ***

    That psalm begins: "Anyone dwelling in the secret place of the Most High will procure himself lodging under the very shadow of the Almighty One. I will say to Jehovah: 'You are my refuge and my stronghold, my God, in whom I will trust.' For he himself will deliver you from the trap of the birdcatcher." (Ps. 91:1-3) Notice that God promises to protect those who love him and trust in him. (ReadPsalm91:9, 14.) What sort of protection did he mean? Well, Jehovah protected some of his ancient servants physically-in some cases to preserve the genealogical line leading to the promised Messiah. However, many other faithful men were imprisoned, tortured, and killed in devilish attempts to turn them away from faithfulness to God. (Heb. 11:34-39) They found the needed courage to endure because Jehovah protected them spiritually from the danger of breaking their integrity. Therefore, the 91st Psalm can be understood as a promise of spiritual protection.

    *** w86 3/1 p. 17 par. 7 Job's Integrity-Who Can Imitate It? ***

    Yes, Jehovah will uphold us. "For those walking in integrity he is a shield," the Bible says. (Proverbs 2:7) This does not mean, though, that Jehovah will not allow us to be tested. He will, even as he did with Job. "But God is faithful," the apostle Paul noted, "and he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear, but along with the temptation he will also make the way out in order for you to be able to endure it."-1 Corinthians 10:13.

    *** it-1 p. 126 Apostasy ***

    This term in Greek (a·po·sta·si′a) comes from the verb a·phi′ste·mi,literally meaning "stand away from." The noun has the sense of "desertion, abandonment or rebellion." (Ac 21:21, ftn) In classical Greek the noun was used to refer to political defection, and the verb is evidently employed in this sense at Acts 5:37, concerning Judas the Galilean who "drew off" (a·pe′ste·se, form of a·phi′ste·mi) followers. The Greek Septuagint uses the term at Genesis 14:4 with reference to such a rebellion. However, in the Christian Greek Scriptures it is used primarily with regard to religious defection; a withdrawal or abandonment of the true cause, worship, and service of God, and hence an abandonment of what one has previously professed and a total desertion of principles or faith. The religious leaders of Jerusalem charged Paul with such an apostasy against the Mosaic Law.

    *** it-1 p. 126 Apostasy ***

    Even though a person who was inciting others to apostasy was a close relative or a marriage mate, he was to be put to death for having "spoken of revolt against Jehovah your God." (De 13:1-15)

    *** it-1 p. 127 Apostasy ***

    apostates may forsake his service by treating lightly the preaching and teaching work that he assigned to followers of Jesus Christ. (Lu 6:46; Mt 24:14; 28:19, 20) They may also claim to serve God but reject his representatives, his visible organization

    *** it-1 p. 127 Apostasy ***

    It is evident that there is a distinction between a 'falling' due to weakness and the 'falling away' that constitutes apostasy. The latter implies a definite and willful withdrawal from the path of righteousness. (1Jo 3:4-8; 5:16, 17) Whatever its apparent basis, whether intellectual, moral, or spiritual, it constitutes a rebellion against God and a rejection of his Word of truth.-2Th 2:3, 4; see MAN OF LAWLESSNESS.

    *** w86 3/15 p. 13 par. 10 'Do Not Be Quickly Shaken From Your Reason' ***

    hen a fellow human tells us, 'Do not read this' or, 'Do not listen to that,' we may be tempted to ignore his advice. But remember, in this case Jehovah is the One who tells us in his Word what to do. And what does he say about apostates? "Avoid them" (Romans 16:17, 18); "quit mixing in company with" them (1 Corinthians 5:11); and "never receive [them] into your homes or say a greeting to [them]" (2 John 9, 10). These are emphatic words, clear directions. If, out of curiosity, we were to read the literature of a known apostate, would that not be the same asinviting this enemy of true worship right into our home to sit down with us and relate his apostate ideas?

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    Thanks. This is important information. Hubby (JW) and I are still together after ten years, and I think a big reason is that I also don't threaten his attendance at meetings.

  • whathappened
    whathappened

    Glad you and your kids are out and you are still married to your hubbie. What made you wake up? Did he do anything or did you discover the lies on your own?

  • NewYork44M
    NewYork44M

    I was an apostate in a failed marriage that ended 10 years after I learned TTATT. Those 10 years were very painful. We fought about religion from the moment we woke up to the moment we went to bed. The division cause by this religion was irreversible. My only regret was that I waited so long to move on.

    I am sure we had many arguments about the articles you quoted. These are not solutions, just additional talking points for a never ending argument. So, thank you very much for allowing me to re-live my hell.

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    Thanks for sharing! I am glad you survived and got out! I hope my plans succeed. I really do not want to hurt my wife, or child. When I think of how my child can really live a life and still believe in a creator without the shackles of the WT, it strengthens my resolve.

    The ironic thing is that there is no such thing as " absolute spiritual endangerment." It does not exist. It is another false teaching of the WTBTS. This false teaching actually plants the idea that there is a way out of marriage besides infidelity. This myth of endangerment is then often used by the " believing " mate and then supported by the Elders. This false teaching is a springboard to divorce, which according to the WTBTS, God hates. More proof of the WTBT$ being a man-made religion IMO.

  • villagegirl
    villagegirl

    For- jgnat I am confused, I thought you said you were never a JW ?

    So you cannot be an apostate. Your husband is attending meetings,

    so he is NOT an apostate either. So how does your case compare???

    You never believed the WT was the "truth" right ?

    You married a JW ? While he was disfellowshipped ?

    For adultry ? He was married to a JW ?

    But he divorced her and married you jgnat ?

    But you want him to leave not only his first wife

    but also his religion for you ?

    And your here to get ammunition ?

  • moshe
    moshe

    Your story has to be a record here for how long it took a simmerimg pot to finally come to a boil.

    Don't be so sure about kids never going back- we have heard stories of people who were gone from the KH for years- have a kid and suddenly they are back in the KH reading the WT bible stories book to the 2 year old. It could have turned out very differently for you , if the kids had become strong JWs with a JW husband and kids. You would have been trapped in the KH or leave and get shunned. I have a hunch, you would still be a JW zombie, if you had grandkids sitting next to you in the KH meetings. Your hubby reminds me of an unbeliveing husband who kept his lip zipped for over 50 years= never said a bad word about the WT-But when his wife died, he confided in me how he hated the JWs and how they always tried to run his family life.

    Anyway, Welcome and continue with your stories- good stuff.

  • thecrushed
    thecrushed

    Im in the same exact situation. I woke up a year ago and its been pure mental torture for both of us. I'm smart enough not to oppose her but it is beginning to wear on me and is turning us both into alcoholics. I have never even raised my voice to her and I have even had to endure screaming fits from her and yet I'm perceived as mentally abusing her. This religion is like poison. I have done nothing but be supportive and loyal husband but I guess nothing counts unless you.continue to swallow the bullshit of the wts.

  • rubadubdub
    rubadubdub

    whathappened asked:

    Glad you and your kids are out and you are still married to your hubbie. What made you wake up? Did he do anything or did you discover the lies on your own?

    The answer to your question is complex. What made me wake up? My tipping point was in mid-May 2011 during a Service Meeting part about doing more in the Ministry, because we were "so close to the end and so many lives were at stake". I thought, "If one more person tells me my kids are going to die, I am going to scream." I walked out of that meeting and spent a full six weeks on my couch recalling all I had been taught and all of the issues I had, both doctrinal and personal. I wanted to make the decision on my own, under no one else's influence. I did not even speak to my husband about it. (He was used to seeing me dwelling on the couch, as I suffered from severe, recurrent clinical depression for as long as I can remember, even as a child.) I didn't go to any meetings during this time. I took my son's then ex-MIL to our July 1-3 D.C. as I had promised. I was an outsider looking in at that point and could only think, "OMG this is the Stepford Wives!" When they announced the "New Light" about the toes of Daniel's dream image-- They mean nothing! I just laughed. The prior year when they announced the "Overlapping Generation" doctrinal change, I thought, "That's Crap." I walked away from the last day of that DC having made my decision that I was done.

    I spoke of my decision to no one. I didn't attend another meeting, but being a dub of my word, I intended to keep my promise to serve the C.O. and his wife lunch in Mid-August. I didn't want to inconvenience my CoBOE. I cared for him. I had thought that I would attend the meetings, go out in service one morning during the visit, serve the lunch and be done with it. I couldn't bring myself to do anything other than serve the lunch. Funny story. My hubby and I are sailors. He had just come back from a nice sail with a retired couple. We were sitting around the picnic table chatting. It was Thursday late afternoon. I was supposed to go to the meeting, and I needed to cook some chicken for the lunch on Friday. This couple wanted me to go out to dinner with them and hubby. I said I couldn't, because we had this visiting speaker coming to our congregation that night, and I had to serve him and his wife lunch the next afternoon. The worman asked me what religion I was in. I said JWs. She said, "Oh, I was raised as a JW, but I left." Her Hubby offered to cook the chicken-- he only needed 5 ingredients, which I had, and our grill. I went out to a lovely dinner with them. Served the lunch the next day. Didn't go to any meetings that week. Didn't go out in service either. I was done.

    "Did he (Hubby) do anything or did you discover the lies on your own?"

    Obviously my husband had his say on occaision, otherwise I would not have come to the conclusion that he was an "apostate". The thing was that his reasons for leaving meant little to nothing to me. He focused primarily on the bogus science. I didn't care about that. I did my Bible study a la dub style. I wrote "The Society" about chronology issues. I wrote to them about blood fraction issues. They wrote back; the elders asked if I understood the letters. I said yes; they didn't ask me if I believed them. I didn't-- so what if they were off by a couple of months, no biggie. Waiting on Jehovah for clarification on the blood fraction issue. Don't even remember what it was about at this point. My hubby didn't learn TTATT until I walked away. He simply left and went on with his life. I resented that. I felt abandonned, left with the responsibility of being the "spiritual head of the household". Now if he had told me something about the "Two Witness" rule and protecting pedophiles, that would have got my attention.

    One of my biggest concerns was the ever tightening of control that I sensed acutely. Our son (and our family) had gone through a tragic event. Our son nearly suceeded in committing suicide. I foolishly entrusted his life to the hands of the elders. I feel I let him down. He was still grieving and was still living under our roof, but in a separate apartment we built for him and his then ex-wife. I remembered what the teaching was on how families were to treat DF'd family members who lived outside the home when I became a witness. I knew the rules had changed for the worse. I sensed they would get even more controling in time, and they did. The bottom line was I knew I was never going to shun my son. Case closed.

  • rubadubdub
    rubadubdub

    NewYork44M and thecrushed, I am truly and deeply sorry for your pain.

    DATA-DOG, You are absolutely right. I debated the title of my post. I considered, "Absolute Spiritual Endangerment" Not a Valid Scriptural Escape Clause, but I thought that might not draw the readers who might benefit most from my story.

    Moshe, My husband and I chatted about a lot of what ifs. He read my post before I pressed, "Submit". I do believe I was nearing the end of my tour of duty as a dub, as I was already throwing down the B*** S*** card on doctrinal issues before our personal train wreck happened. Of course any one of us would say we wish we had woken up sooner. The Cult goes for the vulnerable, and I was targeted as a child. I was 9 years old when my family first studied. None of them stayed in The Lie except me. I needed to believe that the dubs had a way to live a happy, "normal" family life. My childhood was chaos with an alcoholic father and a mentally ill mother. Later the dubs had the ultimate hook-- once my family was out, I had to stay in, otherwise who would be there to welcome them back?

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