Surely everyone knows all religion is a scam and a fraud.
Do you blame Jehovah, Yahweh, God, Jesus, etc. for the corruption of the borg?
by Fading Begins 35 Replies latest jw friends
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NeverKnew
Should Jehovah be blamed for the corruptions of the Borg?
Doesn't this statement suggest there being a time the Borg held honest truths? How much have you read about Russell's other companies?
Please realize this man lived in an era when prominent families were amassing vast fortunes. Andrew Carnegie (steel), Henry Clay Frick (steel), the Mellon family - heck, Rockefeller was just northwest of here in Ohio. I used to give him the benefit of the doubt, but after I read more about him, I no longer believe his intentions were so sincere.
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transhuman68
So I feel like we are falling into the JW trap when we let them make us bitter and blame God for their disgusting behavior and lies
This is the result of belonging to a 'toxic religion'- the GB convinces ordinary Witnesses that the GB 'own' God & the Bible; so many Witnesses feel they have to throw it all away when they leave. Of course the God concept & the Bible existed long before some 19th century 'start-up' religion hijacked them.
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quincy_aka_quentin
What Farkel said and everybody else for that matter.
We are the ones to blame because we are lazy, have no desire to led, even ourselves. Along comes some entity that says don't worry, we'll do it ALL for you. Yeah, stand in front of a mirror see the one to blame.
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tootired2care
They were never pure to begin with, and I guess to a large extent I do blame the concept of god, Jehovah, Yahweh, Allah etc. for all of the pain and loss. I say concept of god, because I no longer believe that there is a personal god who is actually involved in human affairs. It makes me cringe to think that there could even be a remote possibility of some almighty personal god out there, who intentionally allows earths masses to wallow in confusion about him. A god who has communication skills that are beneath primitive human standards of consistent and clear communication, is just not worth the time.
The Watchtower is just another in a long list of misguided organizations that have only sought to control people using the so called "inspired" bible as their authority. I hope some day that people will stop giving people like the WT$ popes power, who only end up causing so much pain and loss.
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OnTheWayOut
Some believers think that it is not valid argument for atheists to hold "God" accountable for anything because we don't believe in Him.
But I am confident that it is a proper argument to say "IF GOD EXISTED...."
The corruption in God's name is not the end-all, but it is part of the proof that God isn't there to do anything about it.
When using the "If God existed, then He would stop the corruption" argument, many believers perceive bitterness in the statements and then fall back on "You don't even believe in Him, how can you blame Him?" They miss out on the point of the argument and miss why there is a bitter tone because they want to say that believers really are just "mad at God."
Of course many, believers and unbelievers alike, have a bitterness when discussing the borg and their policies, the governing body, elders actions, etc. and that doesn't mean that unbelievers are actually bitter with the nonexistent "God."