TELL US, please, are you Pre or Post--Enlightenment in your thinking?

by Terry 17 Replies latest social current

  • Terry


    That's when we think we know.

    Now is when we finally understand.

    There was a NOW when we first heard the words that Jehovah's Witness was speaking to us and we thought it was bullshit.

    There was a NOW when it all started to "make sense".

    There was a NOW when we stepped into the baptismal water and came up drenched in cultic enlightenment.

    There was a Now when our worst suspicions revived skepticism and we began listening a lot more carefully.

    There was a Now when we stepped out of the Kingdom Hall for the last time.

    And today...there is a NOW when we finally understand.........that......our personal willingness to give in to our feeling of KNOWING is not be.....trusted so easily!!

  • Satanus

    'there is a NOW when we finally understand.........that......our personal willingness to give in to our feeling of KNOWING is not be.....trusted so easily!!'

    Agreed. Your first post gives the big picture. Taking that view, i can see the direction we humans are going. It shows that we havn't come very far, yet.


  • whathappened

    I am still very angry and bitter at the Watchtower Society for ruining and interfering with the lives of my entire family for five generations. That's a whole lot of important decisions that were made based on pure, unadulterated bull sh*t.

    It continues to this very day. I wish the WBTS nothing but total anillation, which is what they wish upon me and about 7 billion other people.

    I guess that makes me post enlightenment???

  • Fed-up

    I think of "Enlightenment" as a form of awakening...

    Do you wake up because the light hits you or do you notice the light when you wake up? I don't know...

    I just know that it feels like waking up late, after hitting "snooze" repeatedly...Like needing to get a bunch

    of stuff done now and running super late. It seems like I'm groggy still...But waking up more every day.

    Terry, your use of "NOW" intrigues me.

  • tornapart

    I would say I'm headed towards post-enlightenment. That 'free will and personal interpretation' means a lot to me. I no longer allow myself to be told what to believe. The more questions I ask the more I realise that there are no real answers. So many people have so many different ideas about what 'truth' is, what 'reality' is that not everyone can be right. Questions do not produce answers, they merely produce even more questions.

    At the moment I'm reading the book 'conversations with God'. Another interesting way of looking at things. Now my mind has been 'freed' from the constrains of JW land I feel I can read anything I want! That feels so good!!

  • OnTheWayOut

    Mankind has, in the 20th century, finally realized that all things can come about without a supernatural source, without divine guidance.

    Many enlightened ones are accepting that, but thousands upon thousands of years of thinking otherwise takes time to root out of the species.

    Many people are still at Stage One or Two of your opening post, fanciful superstitious beliefs and rituals, appeasing the gods or shunning the evil spirits.

    In my own lifetime, I had to purge myself of the idea that an ancient book written by various people to manipulate the masses and mislead peasants and loaded with superstition and ritual and god-appeasing, was not from the hand of a supernatural source. I had to reject the programming that actual scientific evidence was not valid, and had to be rejected if it didn't fit into the stories of the ancient book.

    So give people another couple of hundred years before they really wake up, will you?

    It is a sad commentary when people reject the solid evidence of the human genome project, the science of evolution, physical evidence found in the ground from archaeology. It is even worse when they almost literally put their fingers in their ears and go "LA LA LA LA." But we are still there. Mankind still has a great placebo effect from those thousands upon thousands of years of "belief." Give him another couple of hundred years to wake up.

    But Terry, individuals can wake up now. A couple hundred years ago, without DNA and without knowing what evidence lay hidden in the ground, many people became diests. They figured out that a supernatural power was not helping them. They were so enlightened and ahead of their time. Nowadays it is easy to be agnostic or atheist. So much data helps us to connect with our rational side. But we are just at the beginning baby-steps of figuring this stuff out.

    I still feel great "spirituality" in myself, but not from an ancient book or from a supernatural source. Terry, you can learn a lot from the fictional Star Trek character, Spock. Even without a need for God, we still have to have something beyond logic and rational thought. Spock taught us that as we were growing up in the age of information, we still needed emotions. We get burned for trying to love, but we continue to love. We get rejected by those we wish to befriend, but we continue to befriend.

    "Spirituality" is everything to do with life that is not "secular." We pay the bills and buy the groceries, but then we go beyond that.

    Because our enjoyment of life is so important, because our desires to laugh and love and be moved are so vital to us, it is going to take a couple hundred years more to put aside the ancient book and the irrational fear and the desire to please a nonexistent god. But we will get there.

  • Terry

    Terry, your use of "NOW" intrigues me.

    Didn't you ever sing that melodious old Kingdom song, NOW IS THE TIME...?

  • Terry

    Terry, you can learn a lot from the fictional Star Trek character, Spock.

    This one is going in my scrapbook!

    We learn from the bible, I'd proffer, in exactly the way we learn from Spock. As the Brits say, "Spot on."

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