SHOCK ! (1) You are Not Justified (2) Jehovah is Not Your Father (3) Jesus is Not Your Mediator

by Perry 38 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Terry
    Terry

    The Doctrine of Salvation for Jehovah's Witnesses is clever positioning of US vs THEM from the very start.

    At first the division was merely right-hearted faithful vs wicked.

    Gradually over time the "us" part was divided into a subset of us vs them. The "us" became a class of heavenly calling and "them" became Jonadabs or other sheep.

    Yet again, in recent times, a further division of us vs them occured: the "us" became Governing Body vs the rest of the remnant.

    This a typical power grab into an elite ruling class that we've all seen time and again through history.

    The Russian Revolution is a fine example.

    At first a contrast was made between the Czar and his magesterium vs the common people. Then it devolved into Bolsheviks vs Mencheviks. The Reds and the Whites.

    Finally, Stalin expunged Marx and Lenin and set himself up as absolute power. Propaganda and death threats kept him in place.

    If Martin Luther had been correct that any christian could pray for holy spirit to make scripture understandable there would have been no proliferation

    of denominations of christianity. After all, it is disagreement over doctrinal understanding that divides christianity.

    There are many differing "understandings" among mainstream christianity since the advent of Protestantism.

    I'm not sure Perry is worried that bible-based christianity is itself CONFUSED.

    • "Total depravity," also called "total inability," asserts that as a consequence of the fall of man into sin, every person is enslaved to sin. People are not by nature inclined to love God but rather to serve their own interests and to reject the rule of God. Thus, all people by their own faculties are morally unable to choose to follow God and be saved because they are unwilling to do so out of the necessity of their own natures. (The term "total" in this context refers to sin affecting every part of a person, not that every person is as evil as they could be). [17] This doctrine is derived from Augustine's explanation of Original Sin.
    • "Unconditional election" asserts that God has chosen from eternity those whom he will bring to himself not based on foreseen virtue, merit, or faith in those people; rather, his choice is unconditionally grounded in his mercy alone. God has chosen from eternity to extend mercy to those he has chosen and to withhold mercy from those not chosen. Those chosen receive salvation through Christ alone. Those not chosen receive the just wrath that is warranted for their sins against God. [18]
    • "Limited atonement," also called "particular redemption" or "definite atonement", asserts that Jesus's substitutionary atonement was definite and certain in its purpose and in what it accomplished. This implies that only the sins of the elect were atoned for by Jesus's death. Calvinists do not believe, however, that the atonement is limited in its value or power, but rather that the atonement is limited in the sense that it is intended for some and not all. Hence, Calvinists hold that the atonement is sufficient for all and efficient for the elect. [19] The doctrine is driven by the Calvinistic concept of the sovereignty of God in salvation and their understanding of the nature of the atonement.
    • "Irresistible grace," also called "efficacious grace", asserts that the saving grace of God is effectually applied to those whom he has determined to save (that is, the elect) and overcomes their resistance to obeying the call of the gospel, bringing them to a saving faith. This means that when God sovereignly purposes to save someone, that individual certainly will be saved. The doctrine holds that this purposeful influence of God's Holy Spirit cannot be resisted, but that the Holy Spirit, "graciously causes the elect sinner to cooperate, to believe, to repent, to come freely and willingly to Christ." [20]
    • "Perseverance of the saints" (or preservation) of the saints (the word "saints" is used to refer to all who are set apart by God, and not of those who are exceptionally holy, canonized, or in heaven) asserts that since God is sovereign and his will cannot be frustrated by humans or anything else, those whom God has called into communion with himself will continue in faith until the end. Those who apparently fall away either never had true faith to begin with or will return to the faith. [21]
    • Prevenient grace is a Christian theological concept rooted in Augustinian theology. [1] It is divine grace that precedes human decision. It exists prior to and without reference to anything humans may have done. As humans are corrupted by the effects of sin, prevenient grace allows persons to engage their God-given free will to choose the salvation offered by God in Jesus Christ or to reject that salvific offer.
  • Scott77
    Scott77

    If Martin Luther had been correct that any christian could pray for holy spirit to make scripture understandable there would have been no proliferation

    of denominations of christianity. After all, it is disagreement over doctrinal understanding that divides christianity.

    Terry

    Yep Terry, you are right on that. But, no one size fit all. You know that.

    Scott77

  • Terry
    Terry

    you are right on that. But, no one size fit all. You know that.

    Yes, it does seem to always come down to MY IDEAS are true because I find a way to prove them.

    The other fellow christian's ideas are false because I find a way to disprove them.

    And so on...

    Were any scripture proof-worthy in any practical sense none of this argument would continue.

    When Jehovah's Witnesses, for example, argue that Millions Now Living Will Never Die and they pin it to a specific idea about "generation" they

    make that idea FALSIFIABLE. And, what do you know? It WAS falsified! Gulp!

    The best doctrines are the ones nobody can really prove. That way you never have to explain how you got it wrong.

    The New Light is proof of embarassment over falsified teaching.

    Jehovah's Witness doctrine is cherry picking and doctrine shopping.

    The idea that the Elect (anointed) are the ONLY ones assured of heaven is a CALVINIST idea the Watchtower has shoplifted and manicured.

  • designs
    designs

    Who in hell would want to spend eternity with John Calvin

  • Terry
    Terry

    Who in hell would want to spend eternity with John Calvin

    I think you've said something more profound than you intended:)

    "Who in......hell...."

  • Ding
    Ding

    I wonder when there will be "new light" that these things only apply to the GB, not to the average "anointed"...

    ... as they are doing with the "faithful and discreet slave"...

  • Scott77
    Scott77

    The idea that the Elect (anointed) are the ONLY ones assured of heaven is a CALVINIST idea the Watchtower has shoplifted and manicured.
    Terry

    Terry, many ways to go. Never knew Calvinist influence on JWs. This is profoundly shocking and very disturbing. Seem like they hide it from us.

    Scott77

  • designs
    designs

    Scott- Russell and Franz never quite shook all of their Presbyterian upbringing.

  • Scott77
    Scott77

    Scott- Russell and Franz never quite shook all of their Presbyterian upbringing.
    designs

    Really??? So have now the Presbyterian, Calvinist and Masonist fusion into the Watcthtower brand. I think, its possible, the Watchtower socieity of Jehovah's Witnesess shoplifted more doctrines from other religions. I think, the rebranding will continue.

    Scott77

  • hamsterbait
    hamsterbait

    They have also said that getting baptised is the same as entering into a contract with the Witchtower Babble and Trash Society.

    Since they have said that - will they please release me from said contract, as MINORS cannot legally enter into a contract, neither can they gift money, goods or resources, being underage to do so.

    Can I have my baptism revoked and all my contributions returned. NOW!!!!!

    HB

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