Do you call your father by his legal name? Should we for God?

by trujw 54 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • tiki
    tiki

    i am a b!tch. once you reach adulthood, or a very seasoned teenage hood...there is no reason under the sun why you should not call your parents by their given first name. unfortunately too many parents have the idea that they deserve special consideration because they reproduced. it is simply ludicrous that they disallow their progeny to refer to them by their actual names.

    address your parents by their name and get over it. as for god - it depends on your belief system. to each his own.

  • NoStonecutters
    NoStonecutters

    Good points, trujw.

    At first, I used to think that the Watchtower was like other cults in that they find a niche concept and exploit it, providing a uniqueness to their cult. What I now know is that there is another dimension to the Watchtower's niche use of the Hebrew language, specifically the tetragrammaton. To put it quite bluntly, the Watchtower's niche is Jewish magic, or Kabbalah. Not only does Kabbalah require Hebrew names and letters to conduct magic, Freemasonry and the occult also make use of Hebrew in their rites and initiations. The tetragrammaton is central to occult rites.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    I have never seen any evidence of yhwh kaballah use in all my decades as a jw. I got around quite a lot in the org. Do you have any evidence? They don't actually use yhwh that much, or even yahweh, derived from it and more acurate. The mongrelized jehovah is used all the time. The catholic bible is the translation that use yahweh, throughout.

    S

  • NoStonecutters
    NoStonecutters

    Satanus, I think it's telling that the tetragrammaton is never used in the Divine Luturgy.

    Regarding your question:

    "In Western magic, "Tetragrammaton" is the holiest name of God. It is composed of the four Hebrew letters YHVH and is the occult key that unlocks the meaning behind astrological symbolism, the tarot, the mysteries of the Old Testament and the Book of Revelation, the kabbalah, the Enochian magick of John Dee, and modern ritual magic. It may be considered the archetypal blueprint of creation, the basis for such fundamental forms as DNA double helix and the binary language of modern computers. Its true structure is the arcanum of occultism." — Tetragrammaton: The Secret to Evoking Angelic Powers and the Key to the Apocalypse (Llewellyn's High Magick Series)

    Counterpoint

    2008 “Letter to the Bishops Conferences on The Name of God,”

    "When in fact St. Paul, with regard to the crucifixion, writes that “God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name which is above every name” (Phil 2:9), he does not mean any name other than “Lord,” for he continues by saying, “and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord” (Phil 2:11; cf. Is 42:8: “I am the Lord; that is my name.”) The attribution of this title to the risen Christ corresponds exactly to the proclamation of his divinity. The title in fact becomes interchangeable between the God of Israel and the Messiah of the Christian faith, even though it is not in fact one of the titles used for the Messiah of Israel. In the strictly theological sense, this title is found, for example, already in the first canonical Gospel (cf. Mt 1:20: “The angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream.”) One sees it as a rule in Old Testament citations in the New Testament (cf. Acts 2:20): “The sun shall be turned into darkness. . . before the day of the Lord comes” (Joel 3:4); 1 Peter 1:25: “The word of the Lord abides for ever” (Is 40:8). However, in the properly Christological sense, apart from the text cited of Philippians 2:9-11, one can remember Romans 10:9 (“If you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved”), 1 Corinthians 2:8 (“they would not have crucified the Lord of glory”), 1 Corinthians 12:3 (“No one can say 'Jesus is Lord' except by the Holy Spirit”) and the frequent formula concerning the Christian who lives “in the Lord” (Rom 16:2; 1 Cor 7:22, 1 Thes 3:8; etc)."

    The idea that Hebrew is divine or Holy is preposterous and can only be from the occult. For one thing, God's intention was ALWAYS universal, not confined just to a small group of people. Furthermore, God used the Greek language to bring the world the Good News. If there was an declaration by God of the insignificance of the Hebrew language, that was it.

    Hebraism is Illuminism, in that the elite create a power structure based on the initiate's required acquisition of Hebraic (language) knowledge, among other things.

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    Pssst... NoStonecutters... not sure if you got the memo, but... magic (or 'Magick') isn't real. Even if the Watch Tower Society were involved with some group that believes in magical Hebrew letters... it still means precisely nothing.

  • NoStonecutters
    NoStonecutters

    Jeffro, I never said magic was real. So, what's your point?

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro
    Jeffro, I never said magic was real. So, what's your point?

    The point is, even if some people happen to secretly believe some drivel (though no evidence of this has been provided), (that is, beyond the drivel they publically announce that they believe) it makes no difference to anything.

    If the Watch Tower Society is secretly involved with some 'secret society', then they're liars.

    If the Watch Tower Society is not secretly involved with some 'secret society', then they're still liars anyway.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    ' However, in the properly Christological sense, apart from the text cited of Philippians 2:9-11, one can remember Romans 10:9 (“If you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved”), 1 Corinthians 2:8 (“they would not have crucified the Lord of glory”), 1 Corinthians 12:3 (“No one can say 'Jesus is Lord' except by the Holy Spirit”) and the frequent formula concerning the Christian who lives “in the Lord” (Rom 16:2; 1 Cor 7:22, 1 Thes 3:8; etc)."'

    Sounds like strong magic, alright.

    S

  • NoStonecutters
    NoStonecutters

    Satanus, my quote of the letter to the Bishops was to show the contrast with the Christian view of the tetragrammaton. It has significance only to Christian heretics involved in Kabbalah and mysticism, epitomized by John Dee.

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    Satanus:

    Sounds like strong magic, alright.

    Indeed. I certainly didn't mean to suggest that most religious beliefs do not constitute 'magical thinking' in the general sense. However, there is no evidence that JWs or any other well known religious group is secretly involved in 'secret magic'.

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