Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 10-21-2012 WT Study (TRAPS)

The worst traps are set by those you trust, at the KH. Remember Jesus was betrayed by Judas and denied three times by Peter. Remember Paul talked about ‘false brothers.’ It is also amazing that the WTS does not talk about how many alcoholic elders there are, practicing alcoholics, who knows about it and does nothing. Just some of the things that can make you a NONE.

http://www.pewforum.org/Unaffiliated/nones-on-the-rise.aspx

HOW WOULD YOU ANSWER?

How can a servant of Jehovah

avoid being caught in the trap

of materialism?

What can help a married

Christian not to fall into the

pit of adultery?

Why do you believe that it is

beneficial to take a firm stand

against materialism and sexual

immorality?

START OF ARTICLE

1, 2. (a) Why does Satan not have compassion for the

anointed and the “other sheep”? (b) What traps of Satan will

be discussed in this article?

SATAN THE DEVIL has no compassion for humans,

especially for those who serve Jehovah.

In fact, Satan is waging war on the anointed

remnant. (Rev. 12:17) Those stalwart Christians have

spearheaded the modern-day Kingdom-preaching

work and have exposed Satan as the ruler of this

world. The Devil also has no love for the “other

sheep,” who support the anointed and are in line for

everlasting life—a prospect that Satan no longer has.

(John 10:16) No wonder he is wrathful! Whether we

have the heavenly hope or the earthly hope, Satan

certainly has no interest in our welfare. His goal is

to make us his victims.—1 Pet. 5:8.

COMMENTS

So what proves that Satan is waging war on the “anointed remnant” (only jws) compared to other religious groups?

Going into new countries, why was it that the WTS targeted Christian converts in other religions rather than “pagans” to the point that those religions accused them of stealing their flock?

“other sheep” = why not “great crowd”?

What do the other sheep have to do to “support” the “anointed” jws?

CARROT = in line for everlasting life…only baptized jws…all 7 billion plus non-jws, men, women, children babies are in line for eternal destruction with no resurrection in view.

http://jwfacts.com/watchtower/salvation-only-for-jehovahs-witnesses.php

Proof? Heavenly hope or earthly hope in the bible?

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/144000.php

2 To accomplish his aim, Satan has set various

traps, or snares. Since he “has blinded the minds” of

unbelievers, they do not accept the good news and

cannot see these traps. However, the Devil also ensnares

some who have accepted the Kingdom message.

(2 Cor. 4:3, 4) The preceding article showed how we

can avoid three of Satan’s traps: (1) uncontrolled

speech, (2) fear and pressure, and (3) inordinate

guilt. Let us now consider how we can

stand firm against two other satanic traps or snares

—materialism and temptation to commit adultery.

COMMENTS

Unbelievers – all non-jws including other Christians, so-called Christians per the WTS.

It is the constantly changing “good news” of the WTS that these “unbelievers” don’t accept. Failed predictions………that have deceived and blinded the members/followers of the WTS.

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/1800s.php

MATERIALISM—THE TRAP THAT CHOKES

3, 4. How might the anxieties of this system of things lead to

materialism?

3 In one of his illustrations, Jesus mentioned seed

sown among thorns. He pointed out that a person

may hear the word, “but the anxiety of this system

of things and the deceptive power of riches choke

the word, and he becomes unfruitful.”

(Matt. 13:22) Yes, materialism is one

snare used by our enemy Satan.

COMMENTS

“deceptive power of riches” does this or “materialism” mean a person has to actually possess riches? So how does the WTS and the elders “judge” someone materialistic?

*** g03 4/8 p.20 What Is Materialism?***

Some Christians have an abundance of material riches. Is this in itself evidence of materialism and a lack of spirituality? By contrast, are those who are poor less likely to be materialistic and more likely to be spiritually inclined?

Surely you would agree that materialism involves much more than simply having abundant wealth or possessions.

Among faithful servants of God in Bible times were some who had riches and glory. For instance, Abraham “was heavily stocked with herds and silver and gold.” (Genesis 13:2) Job was known as “the greatest of all the Orientals” because of his accumulation of livestock and his large body of servants. (Job 1:3) Kings of Israel, such as David and Solomon, came to possess enormous wealth.—1 Chronicles 29:1-5; 2 Chronicles 1:11, 12; Ecclesiastes 2:4-9.

Wealthy Christians were part of the congregation in the first century. (1 Timothy 6:17) Lydia is called “a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira and a worshiper of God.” (Acts 16:14) Purple dye and garments colored with it were expensive and were usually reserved for individuals of position or wealth. Thus, Lydia may have had a degree of wealth herself.

It is the determination to be rich and the love of material things that cause problems.

Rich jws I knew were gone on cruises, 6 week long vacations in Florida (attending no meetings, drinking excessively, dancing to music they would never at home), no field service, justifying it because the group were all jws, as one couple traded spouses. These were the ones that could not attend meetings during the week because of their on-the-road work schedule. The ones with box seats to football and basketball leading to their missing Saturday and Sunday “spiritual” activities. As the bribed other elders and Cos with tickets, paid as a right off regarding their business.

4 When combined, two factors choke

the word. One factor is “the anxiety

of this system of things.” In these “critical

times hard to deal with,” there is

much that could make you anxious.

(2 Tim. 3:1) With the high cost of living

and rising unemployment rates, you

may find it difficult to make ends meet.

You may also be anxious about the future

and wonder, ‘Will I have enough

income after I retire?’ Because of such

anxiety, some have been led to pursue

riches, thinking that money will guarantee

security.

COMMENTS

So are the writers of this article anxious with a home provided for (nice digs at Patterson), no mortgage, tax, utilities, or rent; food provided three times daily; health services; monthly allowance; donations from jws in their local congregation; paid trips to faraway places to give public talks/conventions. Do they worry about unemployment or retirement?

5. In what way can the “power of riches” be deceptive?

5 Jesus spoke of the other factor—“the

deceptive power of riches.” That element

combined with anxiety can choke

the word. The Bible acknowledges that

“money is for a protection.” (Eccl. 7:12)

However, the pursuit of riches is not

wise. Many have found that the more

they struggle to acquire riches, the more

materialism entraps them. Some have

even become slaves to riches.—Matt.

6:24.

COMMENTS

So if jws put the meetings and field service first and can’t make the rent or put food on the table or gas in the car; will the congregation come forward to help them---or will they help them fill out the government application for help?

*** w87 6/1 pp.11-12 par.14 Keeping An Eye On the Interests of theElderly***

Money is a protection.’ (Ecclesiastes 7:12) Yet many an aged brother or sister is in dire financial straits and has no relatives willing to help out. Individuals in the congregation, though, are usually happy to assist when made aware of the need. (James 2:15-17) The elders can also look into what government or social services, insurance policies, pensions, and so forth, are available. In some lands, however, such services are hard to come by, and there may be no alternative but to follow the pattern at 1 Timothy chapter 5 and arrange for the congregation as a whole to provide relief.

*** w06 6/1 pp.6-7 God Cares for theElderly***

What, though, if an older brother or sister in the congregation is in dire straits, perhaps needing financial assistance? First, it would be good to find out if there are children or other relatives who can help. (NOT NECESSARILY JWS) This would be in line with what is stated at 1 Timothy 5:4: “If any widow has children or grandchildren, let these learn first to practice godly devotion in their own household and to keep paying a due compensation to their parents and grandparents, for this is acceptable in God’s sight.”

It may be that the elderly one needs assistance in determining if he or she is eligible for any provisions that the government makes available . Perhaps some in the congregation would be able to help. If none of these avenues are open, the elders could determine if the individual qualifies for assistance from the congregation.In some cases, this was permitted in the first-century congregation, for the apostle Paul wrote to his coworker Timothy: “Let a widow be put on the list who has become not less than sixty years old, a wife of one husband, having a witness borne to her for fine works, if she reared children, if she entertained strangers, if she washed the feet of holy ones, if she relieved those in tribulation, if she diligently followed every good work.”—1 Timothy 5:9, 10.

6, 7. (a) How might materialism prove to be a

danger at one’s place of employment? (b)What

concerns should a Christian consider when the

possibility of overtime work is presented to

him?

6 The desire for riches may begin innocently.

For example, consider this scenario.

Your employer approaches you

and says: “I have good news! The company

has won a huge contract. This will

mean working overtime quite often for

the next few months. But I can assure

you that the pay will make it well worth

your effort.” How would you react to

such an offer? Of course, the need to

provide materially for your family is a

serious responsibility, but it is not the

only responsibility you have. (1 Tim. 5:8)

There are several other concerns you

have to take into account. How much

overtime will be involved? Will your secular

work interfere with your spiritual

activities, including congregation meetings

and your Family Worship evening?

COMMENTS

The key word here is OVERTIME….NEXT FEW MONTHS. As I mentioned above, I knew elders that never made a weekday meeting because of their business or jobs. Yet were appointed elders and remained so.

So does a jw have to be homeless…I can remember the brother than applied for unemployment and/or disability fraudulently and excused it by “pioneering.”

I knew men who never studied with their family, as the Family Worship, “arrangement was called. Even with tempting the father and mother being able to count 4 hours each per month, has not stopped it. Note this change in terminology. Why is Family Worship capitalized and family bible study was not?

*** dx86-11 BibleStudies***Family Worship [Family Bible Study];

7 In weighing your decision, what

would you consider to be foremost

—how the overtime work would affect

your bank account or how it might affect

your spirituality? Would eagerness

to make more money cause you to stop

putting Kingdom interests first in life?

Can you see how materialism would affect

you if you were to neglect your own

spiritual health and that of your fami-

ly? If that is happening to you right now,

how can you stand firm and avoid being

choked by materialism?—Read 1 Timothy

6:9, 10.

COMMENTS

How would it affect your spirituality to go; to listen to the talks the elders give not knowing when they walked in that that they had one; the elders in the back of the room discussing anything but spiritual things; the ones that can’t remember the first names of the children in “divided” homes; the ones who never go to meetings or service on vacations or when working out of town, etc.

PICTURE: Black husband/white wife

Materialism can choke a person spiritually.

Do not let that happen to you

8. Considering what Scriptural examples can

help us to reappraise our lifestyle?

8 To avoid being strangled by materialism,

periodically reappraise your lifestyle.

Never would you want to be like

Esau, who showed by his actions that

he despised spiritual things! (Gen. 25:

34; Heb. 12:16) And surely you should

not be like the rich man who was invited

to sell his belongings, give to the

poor, and follow Jesus. Instead of doing

so, the man “went away grieved, for he

was holding many possessions.” (Matt.

19:21, 22) Ensnared by riches, that man

lost out on a great privilege—that of being

able to follow the greatest man who

ever lived! Be careful not to lose out on

the privilege of being a disciple of Jesus

Christ.

COMMENTS

And if you don’t reappraise it, the elders will “help” you and other “mature” jws.

Is the WTS suggesting this again?

"Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world's end." Kingdom Ministry May 1974 p.3 How Are You Using Your Life?

9, 10. What would you say is the Scriptural

view of material things?

9 To counteract undue worry about

material things, heed Jesus’ admonition:

“Never be anxious and say, ‘What are we

to eat?’ or, ‘What are we to drink?’ or,

‘What are we to put on?’ For all these are

the things the nations are eagerly pursuing.

For your heavenly Father knows you

need all these things.”—Matt. 6:31, 32;

Luke 21:34, 35.

COMMENTS

So how will the Father provide this? Through the government or the congregation?

(see paragraph 6 comments)

10 Rather than fall victim to the deceptive

power of riches, strive to adopt

the viewpoint of the Bible writer Agur,

who stated: “Don’t let me be too poor

or too rich. Give me just what I need.”

(Prov. 30:8, Contemporary English Version)

Clearly, Agur understood the protective

value of money as well as the deceptive

power of riches. Realize that the

anxieties of this system and the deceptive

power of riches can result in spiritual

ruin. Undue worry about material

things can consume your time, sap

your energy, and leave you with little or

no motivation to pursue Kingdom interests.

Therefore, make it your resolve not

to be caught in Satan’s trap of materialism!—

Read Hebrews 13:5.

COMMENTS

Once again the WTS uses a quote other than the NWT, why? Is the NWT not clear enough?

(Proverbs 30:8) Untruth and the lying word put far away from me. Give me neither poverty nor riches. Let me devour the food prescribed for me,

So what is “undue” worry….I believe that the WTS would rather the rank and file donate more money.

ADULTERY

—A CLEVERLY CONCEALED PIT

11, 12. How might a Christian fall victim to

adultery at his or her place of work?

11 Hunters who want to catch a strong

animal may dig a pit on a path often traveled

by the prey. The pit is usually camouflaged

with a thin covering of sticks and soil.

One of Satan’s most successful

temptations resembles that type of

trap. It is the sin of immorality. (Prov. 22:

14; 23:27) A number of Christians have

fallen into that pit by letting themselves

get into situations in which compromise

is all too easy. Some married Christians

have succumbed to committing adultery

after developing an improper romantic

relationship.

COMMENTS

Which is worse in the OT, fornication or adultery. Adultery was a capital crime, not fornication. Was God less moral back then? He even allowed polygamy.

So marriage doesn’t protect jws from committing sexual immorality.

(1 Corinthians7:2) yet, because of prevalence of fornication, let each man have his own wife and each woman have her own husband.

(1 Corinthians7:9) But if they do not have self-control, let them marry, for it is better to marry than to be inflamed [with passion].

A new spiritual term = improper romantic relationship (does not mean sex has occurred…one of those lust in the heart situations)

(Matthew 5:27,28) 27YOU heard that it was said, ‘You must not commit adultery.’ 28 I say to YOU that everyone that keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

12 An improper romantic relationship

could develop at your place of employment.

In fact, a secular study revealed

that more than half of adulterous

women and nearly 3 out of 4 adulterous

men had illicit relations with a workmate.

Does your secular work require

that you associate with members

of the opposite sex? If so, what is the nature

of your relationship with them? Do

you have boundaries in place that keep

it professional and that do not allow

it to become something more? For example,

after repeated casual conversations

with a male coworker, a Christian

sister might make him her confidant,

even telling him about her marital problems.

In another situation, after becoming

friendly with a female coworker, a

Christian man might reason: “She values

my opinion and really listens when

I talk to her. And she appreciates me. I

wish I got more of this kind of treatment

at home!” Can you see how Christians

in such situations could be vulnerable

to committing adultery?

COMMENTS

I thought back to 44 years of employment, and all required working with men. Besides nuns, what jobs require only working with women?

I know female jws who were counseled to make the elders confidants. I wonder what their non-jw or jw husbands made of that? Why are jws making non-jws their confidants in the first place. There is always a sister who is dying to know your personal business to spread all over, even the elders tell their wives rather than be satisfied with making another elder their confidant.

So if these jws are married and access to sex is not the issue, what is driving the need to confide outside the WTS organization?

13. How could an improper romantic relationship

develop within the congregation?

13 An improper romantic relationship

could develop within the congregation.

Consider this true-life example.

Daniel and his wife, Sarah,* were regular

pioneers. Daniel was also “a never-say-no

elder,” as he puts it. He eagerly

accepted every privilege that came

his way. As part of his ministry, Daniel

conducted five Bible studies with young

men—three of whom got baptized.

These newly baptized brothers needed

considerable help. When Daniel was

busy with his various theocratic assignments,

Sarah often provided that help.

Soon this pattern developed: Daniel’s

former Bible students needed emotional

support, and they received it from Sarah.

She needed attention, and she got it

from Daniel’s Bible students. A deadly

trap had been set. “Months of my wife’s

giving of herself drained her spiritually

and emotionally,” says Daniel. “This,

coupled with the fact that I had been

neglecting her, led to a disastrous turn

of events. My wife committed adultery

with one of my former students. She

had become spiritually weak right under

my nose, and I was too concerned

about all my privileges even to notice

it.” How can you avoid such a tragedy?

*Names have been changed.

COMMENTS

I know of several cases of this; BUSY ELDER = NEGLECTED WIFE. And they were warned by their BOE but ignored it. The BOE let it go until the wife sought what her husband was withholding…They don’t mention if this couple stayed married. The cases I knew, the wife chose to be df’d and married the man. The eager to be elders but not husbands were finally removed….but even an ex-elder is a catch and they all re-married, and all those marriages ended within 3 years.

14, 15. What factors can help married Christians

to avoid the pit of adultery?

14 To avoid the pit of adultery, reflect

on the meaning of marital commitment.

Jesus said: “What God has yoked together

let no man put apart.” (Matt. 19:6)

Never think that your theocratic

privileges are more important than your

spouse. Moreover, be aware that frequently

spending time away from your

mate for nonessential activities may indicate

a weakness in your marriage and

can lead to temptation and possibly to

serious sin.

COMMENTS

So does the WTS cooperate with their advice to the elders, or do they pour responsibilities on them or hold out the lure of doing more to be raised to be mighty men, princes on earth?

What are “nonessential activities”? The WTS says the wife has to give permission for her husband to be a way for WTS build operations. So what wife would say no?

15 If you are an elder, though, what

about the flock? The apostle Peter wrote:

“Shepherd the flock of God in your care,

not under compulsion, but willingly;

neither for love of dishonest gain, but

eagerly.” (1 Pet. 5:2) Congregation members

in your care certainly should not be

ignored. However, you should not fulfill

your role as a shepherd at the expense

of your role as a husband. It would be

pointless—even dangerous—to focus all

your attention on feeding the congregation

while your mate is “starving” at

home. Daniel states, “There is much

more to life than struggling to care for

privileges to the detriment of your own

family.”

COMMENTS

After 45 years I have seen so many neglected elders’ wives and children. Usually the conscientious ones who get dumped on by the other elders who want the fame but not the work. Or the ones that don’t want to be around their family and hide behind their privileges. The ones that father 5 children but have no time to change diapers or take them back when they act up to quiet them (not spank). The ones that don’t sit with their family and are in the back of the hall talking a bout “important” things.

In 2011 and 2010 the WTS mentions reaching out over 160 times; 118 times in the KM.

PICTURE:

Asian woman pricing products being harassed, looming co-worker

Flirting—or responding to it—can lead

to becoming a victim of adultery (she caused it, she wanted it, it’s her fault)

16, 17. (a) What practical measures can married

Christians take at the workplace to send a

clear signal that they are not available romantically?

(b) Give an example of published material

that can help Christians to avoid adultery.

16 Much good counsel has appeared

in the pages of The Watchtower and

Awake! to help married Christians resist

falling into the trap of adultery. For

instance, The Watchtower of September

15, 2006, offered this advice: “In the

workplace and elsewhere, beware of situations

that might foster intimacy. For

example, spending extra hours working

closely with someone of the opposite

sex can set the stage for temptation.

As a married man or woman, you

should make it clear by your speech

and your demeanor that you are simply

not available. As one who pursues

godly devotion, you would certainly

not want to invite undue attention by

flirting or by being immodest in your

dress and grooming. . . . Having photos

of your marriage mate and children

around the workplace will serve as a visual

reminder to you and to others that

you have priorities. Be determined never

to encourage—or even tolerate—seductive

overtures from another.”

COMMENTS

So asking men to reach out continuously, saying they must not be materialistic but provide for their family, is not setting people up for a fall?

“immodest in your dress and grooming” = a female problem or are men’s minds in the gutter? Are women inviting undue attention; how do men do it? Tight pants, unbuttoned shirts?

What about touchy feely elders…we had a couple of those….will the other elders believe the accusations unless there are 2 eyewitnesses? They would do it before and after the meetings….

http://sp.life123.com/bm.pix/broken-finger1.s600x600.jpg

17 The article entitled “Marital Fidelity—

What Does It Really Mean?” in

Awake! of April 2009 warned against

sexual fantasies involving someone other

than your marriage mate. The article

indicated that engaging in sexual fantasies

will increase the likelihood of your

committing adultery. (Jas. 1:14, 15) If

you are married, it would be wise for

you and your spouse to review such information

together from time to time.

Marriage is an arrangement instituted

by Jehovah himself, and it is sacred.

Setting aside time to talk to your mate

about your marriage is a fine way to

show that you value sacred things.

—Gen. 2:21-24.

COMMENTS

So the WTS does allow sexual fantasies involving your marriage mate.

What if you pretend to be an imaginary person?

So the husband that is so busy with congregation activities who has no time for Family Worship will have time to read this article with his wife?

The WTS covers its rear by printing this but then when offending elders don’t apply it, nothing will happen to them; the wife and children will be expected to “wait” on God.

18, 19. (a) What are the consequences of

adultery? (b) Marital faithfulness results in

what benefits?

18 If you find yourself tempted to develop

an improper romantic relationship ,

meditate on the damaging consequences

of fornication and adultery.

(Prov. 7:22, 23; Gal. 6:7) Those who

commit immorality displease Jehovah

and hurt their spouse and themselves.

(Read Malachi 2:13, 14.) In contrast,

contemplate the benefits that come to

those who maintain chaste conduct.

Not only do they have the hope of living

forever but they also enjoy the best

life now, including a clean conscience.

—Read Proverbs 3:1, 2.

COMMENTS

Why not meditate on what positive steps to take and do it? So what happens when a wife goes to the elders? How will it be any different if she goes to them about her husband’s abuse? Endure and wait.

Living forever = with the same neglectful spouse?

19 The psalmist sang: “Abundant

peace belongs to those loving your

[God’s] law, and for them there is no

stumbling block.” (Ps. 119:165) So love

the truth, and “keep strict watch that

how you walk is not as unwise but as

wise persons” in these wicked times.

(Eph. 5:15, 16) The paths we follow

are rife with traps set by Satan to ensnare

true worshippers. But we are well equipped

to protect ourselves. Jehovah

has given us what we need to “stand

firm” and “quench all the wicked one’s

burning missiles”!—Eph. 6:11, 16.

COMMENTS

Watch yourself or will you be watched at the KH? And if you aren’t doing anything, someone will make up something. The worst traps are the ones set by the people you should be able to trust at the KH.

True worshippers = only jws per the WTS…watch your back.

CONCLUDING COMMENTS

Next week, HOW THIS WORLD WILL COME TO AN END.

I wonder if they will mention the WTS teaches that all 7 billion plus non-jw men, women and children are SOON to be destroyed eternally, no resurrection?

Love, Blondie

ziddina

Yay!! More reading material!!!

Thank you, Blondie!!!

clouds at sunset Again, doing something a little bit different from my usual flowers....

hoser

blondie:

" So asking men to reach out continuously, saying they must not be materialistic but provide for their family, is not setting people up for a fall?"

I still am confused as to what the definition of Materialism is. I think perhaps they try to make it so ambigous so as to allow the local elders leeway to criticize no matter what.

" Many have found that the more

they struggle to acquire riches, the more

materialism entraps them"

so is there a difference between riches and materialism? And how about a number? When a person has $100,000 is he rich? 500,000? A million dollars?

There is no winning with these people. No matter how hard you try it will never be good enough, so there ain't no use in trying.

hoser

thanks Blondie for all your hard work in reviewing these articles. We appreciate it!

ziddina

" SATAN THE DEVIL has no compassion for humans, especially for those who serve Jehovah. In fact, Satan is waging war on the anointed remnant...." paragraph 1

Well, now...

Doesn't that make them feel "special"...

ziddina

"...With the high cost of living and rising unemployment rates, you may find it difficult to make ends meet. You may also be anxious about the future and wonder, ‘Will I have enough income after I retire?'..." paragraph 4

Why don't they choke on their own hypocrisy??? How can they belittle such valid concerns and then turn around and discourage the rank & file JWs from obtaining college educations???

happy-n-alive

i went to meeting today where this article was discussed. i honestly zoned out for most of it -_- however the parts i remember came up under materialism where the brother commented the world pushes higher education but true christians know that education is only for 'us' to be further equiped to serve God. sigh. i couldnt help but think that most of those speakers tell the congregation that, the members follow yet they (the speakers) will put their kids through university. Another part i noticed was how they portrayed the two women in the pictures. the one with the husband experiencing financial problems and the one being hit on at work. why did they have to have the one being hit on wearing eyeliner and red lipstick? was that suppose to make it look like her dress cause her to get hit on? -_- and why do these women in the mags dress so frumpy? i mean, i get the modesty thing, but some are quite young....it just looks odd.

spanteach

And if you don’t reappraise it, the elders will “help” you and other “mature” jws.

For all their faults, one thing I can definitely say in their favor is that my parents have never been materialistic. Once it was just the two of them, they could afford a few more simple pleasures than they could when they were raising four kids. These "simple pleasures" for them came in the form of larger televisions, newer DVD players, and more movies.

Back in 2005, one of the single, self-righteous pioneers in my congregation got it into her head that my parents were materialistic and had the audacity to express this opinion to me. This was one of the final nails in the coffin, so to speak, that caused me to walk away from the Witnesses and never look back. If this judgmental attitude was the thing I had to put up with in the "new world", they could have it.

Ding

Does coveting some "worldly" person's house in the new system constitute materialism?

bobld

Thanks! Blondie

Materialism,they sure don't practice what they preach.New HQ when the end is so close,but I can't save for retirement.

They want me to work cleaning toilets at 80yrs of age.No wait I'll be dead cleaning toilets before the end is here.

Stick it up yours where the sun don't shine.

Q13.Where is all they love that that preach.No elder help,no brotherly love.

Kensho

COMMENTS

"So are the writers of this article anxious with a home provided for (nice digs at Patterson), no mortgage, tax, utilities, or rent; food provided three times daily; health services; monthly allowance; donations from jws in their local congregation; paid trips to faraway places to give public talks/conventions. Do they worry about unemployment or retirement?"

This says it all, it is easy tell the flock how to not be anxious and not to be materialistic when they live in IVORY TOWERS provided by the R&F !

The strange thing is ....don't they realize that if everyone in the R&F heeded this counsel their towers would come tumbling down?

Borg reasoning at its best

Kensho

Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 10-21-2012 WT Study (TRAPS)

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