Hey All,
Russell can get away with alot of these. Why? Because he was cool.
If Russell Were Alive Today He'd Be DF'd For
by Dutchie 55 Replies latest jw friends
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jerome
Saying that he alone was the FDS
Associating with the Freemasons
[I think there is a good chance that he may have been one or at least he was infulenced by them]Preaching that the world would end in 1914
Christs return would be visible
Pedophila
Miracle wheat
Using the KJV of the Bible
Christ was the mediator for all Bible students
Signing his name on his literature
Taking advice from Adventis
Using the great prymaids to estlabish prophetic dates
Using pagan symbols on the cover of the Watchtower
Considering the worship given to God by other churches as worthy
Raceism
Not calling God by his supposed true name, Jehovah
Stating that all the bible students would survive Armageddon by the rapture
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Not being able to cover his tracks so that other people wouldent have to explain away his stupidy
The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.
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ThiChi
It is funny that none of Russell’s published works are offered by the WT! All that good, proper food and flashes of light are not worth to re-print, even for Posterity’s sake....
YoYo: Russell believed that Jesus came back in 1875 and that 1914 would mark the end of the world. He would need to recant this and many other beliefs or even the original “Faithful Slave” would get the ax......
The beard would have to go if he wanted to be an MS or Elder.............
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Fredhall
Jerome,
Some of the things that you are saying about Russell is bullshit.
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jerome
What exactly do you mean?
The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.
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YoYoMama
Actually, YoYo, I never got the impression that Russell was a humble man.
I'm sure you were around before 1916 to personally get that opinion or did you get it from your fellow lying slander spreading apostates?
Apostates, as defined by the WT, are not out to hurt their brothers.
Are you kidding me? That is the whole purpose of the apostates, to bring shame to their former brothers and sisters. That to me is hurting them.What about the pyramid of Giza mess?
Was it a mess or was it an attempt of a man to find answers to life's questions? He was researching just like you do, but now we call it a mess, why? because we know the truth thanks to the Faithful and Discreet slave. -
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If man was supposedly created in gods image, then.....holy krap...we're all doomed.-sKallyWagger
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ThiChi
""The following doctrines are an example as to how Bible Students still retain the basic teachings of Pastor Russell in contrast with "Jehovah's Witnesses," who do not.
One of the main teachings of Pastor Russell was that all would be enlightened with a knowledge of God's Truth before they are placed on trial and judged for their final destiny. For the majority of mankind this would be when they are raised from the dead at the time of the general resurrection. Their final judgment would be based on their conduct while enlightened and not on their conduct while in ignorance. This teaching separated Bible Students from all other religious groups. Now it separates them from "Jehovah's Witnesses" as well.
Pastor Russell was led to believe in a future probation because millions have died and continue to die without hearing the Gospel. Of those that hear, uncertainty and confusion exists in their minds because Churchianity of today is burdened with contradictory beliefs and teachings. "Jehovah's Witnesses" see no further probation for any of the present generation who do not subscribe to their teachings - which means that a large percentage of the world's population is to perish eternally in Armageddon. In this respect their views are less generous than most established Churches. They not only see no hope for those who live today, who do not subscribe to their teachings, but they entertain no hope for a large percentage of the millions who have gone into the grave since the creation of man. For example, those of Sodom, Samaria, Gomorrah, etc., - they believe those people perished eternally, with no hope for a resurrection, while Pastor Russell pointed to the Scriptures, such as Ezek. 16:55, where it declares that these are all going to return to their "former estate." And our Lord, in Matt. 10:15, confirms this thought when He said, "It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city" - (speaking of the Jews) Thus our Lord pointed forward to a day of judgment for those people who died centuries ago. And again it says, in Acts 17:31 that, "He hath appointed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness."
The "Jehovah's Witnesses" deny that Adam will ever have a resurrection, while the Scriptures plainly state that Jesus Christ tasted death "for every man." Heb. 2:9; 1 Tim. 2: 5,6. Pastor Russell pointed out these Scriptures and many others such as 1 Cor. 15: 22, - "As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." Also Hosea 13:14, --"I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: 0 death, I will be thy plagues; 0 grave, I will be thy destruction."
Pastor Russell taught, according to the Scriptures, that now is "the day of salvation" for those who are to be the Bride of Christ, the Little Flock; and that another day - a day of salvation is awaiting mankind in general, in the Millennial Age -"the times of restitution of all things which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began." (Acts 3:21) This view broke with the concept of salvation current in his day. At that time nearly all evangelists taught a literal hell of torment for those who did not accept Christ in this life. They felt hell-fire threats were necessary to restrain evil and, if need be, to bring salvation by fear. Many theologians have since broadened their concept of salvation beyond this life, but "Jehovah's Witnesses" hold strongly to the position that those who reject their message are rejecting salvation. Contrary to our Lord's Word, every "Jehovah's Witness" becomes a missionary of life or death, using the fear of eternal destruction or second death, as their final appeal.
The Jewish people figure in another difference between Pastor Russell and the "Jehovah's Witnesses." After applying the Scripture, "Ye are my witnesses saith Jehovah" (Isa. 43:12) to them-selves, "Jehovah's Witnesses" declare that the Jewish people have no special role in the Divine Plan since the death of Jesus. On the contrary, Pastor Russell taught that the Jewish people and nation have a leading role in the Divine Plan for man, and accordingly during the year 1910 he spoke to vast Jewish audiences, comforting them according to the Scripture, Isa. 40:2 - "Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned; for she hath received of the Lord's hand double for all her sins." He encouraged them not to join the various churches of today but to wait for the fulfillment of the many Old Testament promises that they would be blessed as a nation. While they were yet a scattered and dispersed people, he said, upon the basis of these promises, that they would be regathered to Palestine and established as an independent nation. Time has proven this to be so. Although denied by "Jehovah's Witnesses," Bible Students today teach that the new state of Israel emerged in Divine Providence and is a precursor to the fulfillment of God's promise to that nation that, - "Lo the days come, saith the Lord, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the Lord: and I will cause them to return to the land, that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it." (Jer. 30:3)
And again, Jer. 24:6, 7, says, - "I will set mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will build them and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up. And I will give them a heart to know me, that I am the Lord; and they shall be my people, and I will be their God; for they shall return unto me with their whole heart."
And a further promise in Jer. 31:27-34 was that, - "Like as I have watched over them to pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down, and to destroy and to afflict; so will I watch over them to build and to plant saith the Lord... and I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah; not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in that day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they break . . . but this shall be the covenant that I will make... I will put my Law in their inward parts and write it in their . . . and they shall be my people . . . I will forgive their iniquity and I will remember their sin no more."
From these facts it can be seen that Pastor Charles T. Russell was neither in principle nor in spirit, the founder of "Jehovah's Witnesses."""
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jerome
yoyo
I know that yoy have to defend the man who started your high controll group, but cant you be logical in the process.
You are applying a double standard to CTR
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If any other person had done the things that he did you would not have excused them.
You would have talked about how pagan they were and how God could never accept what they were doing.
Saying that this post is a direct rebutal of your argument i dont think that you will reply but i'm just letting you know that i think that you are wrong.
He was not looking for the anwsers for lifes problems, because he already thought that he had all the anwsers.
If I went to satan and asked him for the anwsers to my problems would God approve?
So then how could God accept Russel promoting a pagan practice?
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That was one point now here is the other.
You said that because someone wasent alive in 18** to meet Russel personally that you couldent have a reasonable assessment of Russels character right?
Well you do have a point there.
But if you really think about it, how could sombody have such controll over a congregation numbering in the tens of thousands, and not have seriously intemidated his apposes from with in. Either that or he would ahve been able to persuade his opposers to submit to his authority, as simple as that.
If you think that he was humble then I think that you should read some of his books.
If he was humble then he wsent humble in public.
If you really wanna go into this then I wave the trial transcripts and other quotations ready for you.
jerome
p.s.
Fred all that I say about CTR can be backed up by WT literature and trial transcripts, along with other relevant evidence.
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mouthy
Fred --Russell taught that we should NOT belong to an Organization---
A Df offense now.You know I love ya Freddie even if you still want to be "under the "B Os" thumb. XXX