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    Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-10-2012 WT Study (APRIL 15, 2012, pages 8-12)(BETRAYAL)

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    BETRAYAL AN OMINOUS

    SIGN OF THE TIMES!

    “How loyal and righteous

    and unblamable

    we proved to be.”

    —1 THESS. 2:10.

    ISOLATE THESE MAIN POINTS:

    What warning lessons can we

    learn from the betrayals committed

    by Delilah, Absalom, and

    Judas Iscariot?

    How can we imitate the loyalty

    displayed by both Jonathan and

    Peter?

    How can we remain steadfast

    in our loyalty to our marriage

    mate and to Jehovah?

    OPENING COMMENTS

    Note the picture of Delilah depicts as a wrinkled hag…out of all the women in Israel, Samson had to pick a non-Israelite. Was Samson so weak that he could slay 100’s of soldiers but not stand up to the questioning of a weak woman?

    *** w84 11/1 p.30***

    However, it appears that Samson’s contacts with these women may have influenced him to act foolishly when he fell in love with Delilah, apparently an Israelite woman whom the Philistines could bribe.—Judges 16:1-21. (other sources say “suggests” “seems”)

    David betrayed his friend, fellow soldier by having sex with his wife (adultery) and then having the husband put to death to cover up his capital sin (punishable by death).

    Remember Absalom’s full sister was raped by their half-brother Amnon but was not punished until Absalom killed him. Where was David, did he betray his children to protect his own reputation? So how did David hear of this, perhaps Amnon escapes punishment in the same way David avoided his deserved execution because it was hidden. Note how the WTS blackens Absalom’s motives without proof.

    *** it-1 pp. 32-33 Absalom***

    Hearing of his daughter’s humiliation, David reacted with great anger but , perhaps due to the fact that no direct or formal accusation was made with the support of evidence or witnesses, took no judicial action against the offender. (De 19:15) Absalom may have preferred not to have an issue made of Amnon’s violation of the Levitical law (Le 18:9; 20:17), to avoid unsavory publicity for his family and name, but he, nevertheless, nursed a murderous hatred for Amnon while outwardly controlling himself until the propitious moment for exacting vengeance in his own way. (Compare Pr 26:24-26; Le 19:17.)

    *** it-1 p.96 Amnon***

    Since Amnon, as David’s eldest son, was heir apparent to the throne, his death may also have been viewed as desirable by Absalom as a means to better his own possibilities of gaining the kingship.

    Peter betrayed Christ 3 times; why better than Judas? Peter cried, Judas didn’t. Do the elders judge wrongdoers as repentant only if they cry?

    (Luke 22:61,62)61 And the Lord turned and looked upon Peter, and Peter recalled the utterance of the Lord when he said to him: “Before a cock crows today you will disown me three times.” 62 And he went outside and wept bitterly.

    START OF ARTICLE

    1-3. (a) What is an ominous sign of the times, and what does

    it involve? (b) What three questions will we answer?

    WHAT do Delilah, Absalom, and Judas Iscariot

    have in common? They were all

    disloyal—Delilah to the man who loved

    her, Judge Samson; Absalom to his father, King David;

    Judas to his Master, Christ Jesus. In each case,

    their deplorable actions wreaked havoc on others!

    But why should this be of concern to us?

    COMMENTS

    Remember David betrayed Uriah by fathering a baby with her while Uriah was off fighting for Israel, and then David had Uriah killed to cover up his sin.

    Remember Samson betrayed God by revealing the source of his strength to Delilah putting himself at risk.

    Remember Peter betrayed Jesus 3 times.

    Remember Aaron betrayed God by making a golden calf…

    (Exodus 32:1-4) . . .Meanwhile the people got to see that Moses was taking a long time about coming down from the mountain. So the people congregated themselves about Aaron and said to him: “Get up, make for us a god who will go ahead of us, because as regards this Moses, the man who led us up out of the land of Egypt, we certainly do not know what has happened to him.” 2 At this Aaron said to them: “Tear off the gold earrings that are in the ears of YOUR wives, of YOUR sons and of YOUR daughters and bring them to me.”3 And all the people began tearing off the gold earrings that were in their ears and bringing them to Aaron. 4 Then he took [the gold] from their hands, and he formed it with a graving tool and proceeded to make it into a molten statue of a calf. And they began to say: “This is your God, O Israel, who led you up out of the land of Egypt.”

    2 A modern-day author lists betrayal among today’s

    most common vices. That is to be expected.

    When giving the sign of “the conclusion of the system

    of things,” Jesus said: “Many . . . will betray

    one another.” (Matt. 24:3, 10) “To betray” means “to

    give up to, or place in the power of an enemy, by

    treachery or disloyalty.” Such a lack of loyalty confirms

    that we are living in “the last days” when, Paul

    foretold, people would be “disloyal, . . . betrayers.”

    (2 Tim. 3:1, 2, 4) Even though authors and screenwriters

    often dramatize and romanticize treacherous

    acts in literature and in the movies, in real life

    disloyalty and betrayal cause pain and suffering. Indeed,

    such acts are an ominous sign of the times!

    COMMENTS

    Who is this modern-day author, and where is the quote?

    Many times the WTS has betrayed the children that have been molested by members of the congregation, hiding the crime, telling the child and their parents that it is a sin to tell anyone outside.

    “authors and screenwriters often dramatize and romanticize treacherous acts”: who, what, when?

    3 What lessons can we learn from the Bible about

    those who were disloyal in the past? What examples

    of people who proved their devotion to others can

    we imitate? And to whom must we remain steadfast

    in our loyalty? Let us see.

    COMMENTS

    Lessons: that if you are the king and commit adultery and murder, the law code will not be applied in your case, death; where in the law does it say a “repentant” murderer should be allowed to live?

    WARNING EXAMPLES FROM THE PAST

    4. How did Delilah betray Samson, and why was that so contemptible?

    4 First, consider conniving Delilah, with whom

    Judge Samson had fallen in love. Samson was intent

    on leading the fight against the Philistines

    on behalf of God’s people. Perhaps

    knowing that Delilah had no loyal love

    for Samson, the five Philistine lords offered

    her a large bribe to find out the secret

    of his superior strength so that they

    could eliminate him. Mercenary Delilah

    accepted their offer, but her attempts

    to uncover Samson’s secret failed three

    times. She then kept on pressuring him

    “with her words all the time and kept

    urging him.” Finally, “his soul got to be

    impatient to the point of dying.” So he

    told her that his hair had never been

    cut and that if it was, he would lose

    his power.* Knowing that, Delilah had

    Samson’s hair shaved off while he was

    asleep on her lap, and then she turned

    him over to his enemies to do to him

    whatever they wanted. (Judg.16:4, 5, 15-

    21) How contemptible her action was!

    All because of her greed, Delilah betrayed

    someone who loved her.

    *Not the hair itself, but what it stood for, that is,

    Samson’s special relationship with Jehovah as a Nazirite,

    was the source of his strength.

    COMMENTS

    Had Samson fallen in love with Delilah? Has the WTS said anything different about that? Where the holy spirit seemed to give him physical strength, evidently his mental acuity was lacking. Where in the bible does it say it was to be a secret, his strength?

    So he had tremendous strength, but nagging did him in?

    5. (a) How did Absalom prove disloyal to David,

    and what did that expose about him?

    (b) How did David feel about Ahithophel’s having

    turned traitor?

    5 Next, consider treacherous Absalom.

    Inflamed with ambition, he was

    determined to usurp the throne of his

    father, King David. Absalom first ‘stole

    the hearts of the men of Israel’ by ingratiating

    himself with them, using sly

    promises and insincere expressions of

    affection. He would embrace and kiss

    them, as if he were truly interested in

    them and their needs. (2 Sam. 15:2-6)

    Absalom even won over David’s trusted

    confidant Ahithophel, who turned

    traitor and joined the coup. (2 Sam. 15:

    31) In Psalms 3 and 55, David describes

    how such disloyalty affected him. (Ps. 3:

    1-8; read Psalm 55:12-14.) Absalom exposed

    his shameless disregard for God’s

    sovereignty by his ambitious scheming

    and blatant conspiracy against Jehovah’s

    appointed king. (1 Chron. 28:5) In

    the end, the uprising failed, and David

    continued to rule as the anointed of Jehovah.

    COMMENTS

    Remember Absalom knew his father David was aware of Amnon raping his own half-sister, Absalom’s full sister Tamar and David did nothing. Should a man like Amnon become the king of Israel. At least David didn’t rape his own half-sister. Perhaps Ahithophel knew that David had done nothing about Tamar’s rape, David’s own betrayal of his daughter. Maybe Absalom did not think a man who approved of a rape and had taken someone else’s wife and had him killed was qualified to be king.

    Have jws been punished for telling about the serious sins of elders, is that disloyalty to God?

    6. How did Judas betray Jesus, and with what

    has Judas’ name become synonymous?

    6 Now think of what traitorous Judas

    Iscariot did to the Christ. At the

    last Passover that Jesus celebrated with

    his 12 apostles, he told them: “Truly I

    say to you, One of you will betray me.”

    (Matt. 26:21) Later that night, Jesus announced

    to Peter, James, and John in

    the garden of Gethsemane: “Look! My

    betrayer has drawn near.” Immediately,

    Judas appeared in the garden with

    his coconspirators, “and going straight

    up to Jesus he said: ‘Good day, Rabbi!’

    and kissed him very tenderly.” (Matt.

    26:46-50; Luke 22:47, 52) Judas “betrayed

    righteous blood” and handed Jesus

    over to Christ’s enemies. And for

    what did money-loving Judas do that?

    For a mere 30 pieces of silver! (Matt. 27:

    3-5) The name Judas has been synonymous

    with “traitor” ever since, especially

    one who betrays another under the

    guise of friendship.*

    *Hence, the term “Judas kiss” means “an act of

    betrayal.”

    COMMENTS

    Imagine, one of the 12 had been predestined to sin and die. Does the WTS believe in predestination?

    Were you ever betrayed by another jw under the guise of friendship? I had several jws LIE about something and get me in trouble. Or tried to. I had absolute proof that I was not guilty and even then the elders were reluctant to back off and appear to have made a serious error. All because some elder’s wife had a pathological jealousy of all the single female pioneers.

    7. What lessons have we learned from the lives

    of (a) Absalom and Judas and (b) Delilah?

    7 What have we learned from these

    warning examples? Absalom and Judas

    both met a shameful end because of

    their having turned traitor against the

    anointed of Jehovah. (2 Sam. 18:9, 14-

    17; Acts 1:18-20) Delilah’s name will

    forever be associated with treachery and

    feigned love. (Ps. 119:158) How vital it

    is that we reject any tendency we may

    have toward blind ambition or greed,

    which would cause us to lose Jehovah’s

    favor! Could any lessons be more powerful

    to help us reject the loathsome trait

    of disloyalty?

    COMMENTS

    But David did not meet a shameful end; instead his wives were raped before the nation of Israel, his sons met bad ends except Solomon who was his son by the adulteress Bathsheba.

    So there is no forgiveness in sight for Delilah when she is resurrected into the WTS earthly paradise. Will her past follow her forever for a 1,000 years and even after; will David be known as a murderer and an adulterer forever? Notice that Delilah, a woman, is singled out for no forgiveness eternally.

    IMITATE THOSE WHO PROVED LOYAL

    8, 9. (a) Why did Jonathan pledge his loyalty

    to David? (b) How can we imitate Jonathan?

    8 The Bible also describes many loyal

    individuals. Let us consider two of these

    and see what we can learn from them,

    starting with a man who proved his loyalty

    to David. Jonathan, King Saul’s eldest

    son, would likely have been the heir

    to the throne of Israel—except for one

    thing. Jehovah chose David to be Israel’s

    next king. Jonathan respected God’s decision.

    He did not jealously view David

    as a rival. Rather, Jonathan’s “soul be-

    came bound up with the soul of David”

    as he pledged his loyalty to him. He even

    gave David his garments, sword, bow,

    and belt, thus bestowing royal honors

    on him. (1 Sam. 18:1-4) Jonathan did all

    he could to ‘strengthen David’s hand,’

    even to the point of risking his own life

    to stand up for David in front of Saul.

    Jonathan loyally told David: “You yourself

    will be king over Israel, and I myself

    shall become second to you.” (1 Sam.

    20:30-34; 23:16, 17) It is no wonder that

    after Jonathan’s death, David expressed

    his sorrow and his love for him in a

    mournful song.—2 Sam. 1:17, 26.

    COMMENTS

    Jonathan did not betray David; he was a better man to be king yet he died by his father’s side guaranteeing that Israel would not challenge David’s authority.

    Did David risk his own life for Jonathan; instead he composed a song?

    9 There was no conflict of loyalties on

    Jonathan’s part. He was completely submissive

    to the Sovereign, Jehovah, and

    he fully supported David as the anointed

    of God. Likewise today, even if we

    may not have been given a special privilege

    in the congregation, we should

    willingly support the brothers who have

    been appointed to take the lead among

    us.—1 Thess. 5:12, 13; Heb. 13:17, 24.

    COMMENTS

    But would Jonathan have supported David when he took another man’s wife and murdered her husband?

    Did Jesus support the religious leaders of his day or did he point out how they betrayed God?

    Should we support self-appointed men in the congregation when they betray God by making the doctrines of an organization supplant the word of God?

    10, 11. (a) Why did Peter loyally stay with Jesus?

    (b) How can we imitate Peter, and what

    should we be moved to do?

    10 The other good example we will

    consider is that of the apostle Peter,

    who avowed his loyalty to Jesus. When

    Christ used graphic, figurative language

    to emphasize the importance of exercising

    faith in his soon-to-be-sacrificed

    flesh and blood, many of his disciples

    found his words shocking, and they left

    him. (John 6:53-60, 66) So Jesus turned

    to his 12 apostles and asked: “You do

    not want to go also, do you?” It was Peter

    who responded: “Lord, whom shall

    we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting

    life; and we have believed and

    come to know that you are the Holy One

    of God.” (John 6:67-69) Did this mean

    Peter was loyal to God’s anointed Son

    even though others rejected Him

    that Peter fully understood all that Jesus

    had just said about His coming sacrifice?

    Probably not. Even so, Peter was

    determined to be loyal to God’s anointed

    Son.

    COMMENTS

    Notice that Peter did not say WHERE shall we go, but WHOM. Is the WTS and is appointees the equivalent of the Holy One of God? The WTS does teach that they are the only true representative of God.

    *** w60 8/1 p.475 par.15***

    So obviously bearing the mark of the spirit, the world-wide loving unity of Jehovah’s witnesses is one of the reasons why those witnesses who are anointed members of the body of Christ are convinced they belong to the only true church, and since those of the “other sheep” are associated with these anointed ones in the united New World society, they are convinced that this indeed is God’s organization, where true worship is carried on. Would it not be sinning against the spirit to doubt it?

    Remember too that in Galatians Peter rejected association with the Gentile Christians although he had been “privileged” with 3 visions from God to stop calling unclean what God considers clean.

    11 Peter did not reason that Jesus

    must have the wrong view of things and

    that if given time, He would recant what

    He had said. No, Peter humbly recognized

    that Jesus had “sayings of everlasting

    life.” Likewise today, how do

    we react if we encounter a point in our

    Christian publications from “the faithful

    steward” that is hard to understand

    or that does not match with our thinking?

    We should try hard to get the sense

    of it rather than merely expecting that

    there will be a change to conform to our

    viewpoint.—Read Luke 12:42.

    COMMENTS

    Likewise today, how do we react if we encounter a point in our

    Christian publications from “the faithful steward” that is hard to understand or that does not match with our thinking? We should try hard to get the sense of it rather than merely expecting that there will be a change to conform to our viewpoint.

    Jesus may have the sayings of everlasting life, but that does not mean the words in the WT publications have the same importance. Is the FDS the same as Jesus or are they imperfect humans?

    Imagine these 180 degree flip flops

    1879 to 1929 = superior authorities, secular governments

    1929 to 1962 = superior authorities, God and Jesus

    1962 to 2012 = superior authorities, secular governments

    To 1967 = organ transplants, conscience

    1967 to 1980 = organ transplants, df’ing offense

    1980 to now = organ transplants, conscience

    Can you imagine all the persecution from 1929 to 1962 of jws because not recognizing the authority of secular governments?

    Can you imagine all the jws who died between 1967 and 1980 thinking having an organ transplant would lead to their being disfellowshipped?

    Should jws die for the wrong, unbiblical ideas of imperfect men?

    REMAIN LOYAL TO

    YOUR MARRIAGE MATE

    12, 13. How might betrayal find a niche in a

    marriage, and why is a person’s age not an excuse

    for that to happen?

    12 Betrayal in any form is a vile act

    that must not be allowed to disrupt the

    peace and unity of the Christian family

    and the congregation. With that in

    mind, let us consider how we can be

    steadfast in our loyalty to our marriage

    mate and to our God.

    COMMENTS

    Loyal like David was? Loyal like Amnon was?

    13 Adultery is one of the most devastating

    forms of betrayal. The adulterer

    has violated his fidelity to his marriage

    mate and shifted his attention to another

    person. The betrayed mate is suddenly

    left alone—with a life that is turned

    upside down. How does that happen between

    two people who once loved each

    other? Often, a first step in that direction

    is taken when marriage mates become

    emotionally distant from each other.

    Professor of Sociology Gabriella Turnaturi

    explains that alternating “between

    being fully present in a relationship and

    not being fully present is where betrayal

    finds its niche.” This distancing of

    oneself from a marriage mate has happened

    to some even during middle age.

    For example, a 50-year-old married man

    divorces his faithful wife of 25 years in

    order to join up with another woman to

    whom he has become attracted. Some

    excuse this as a midlife crisis. However,

    rather than making it sound as though it

    were unavoidable, let us call it what it

    really is—a midlife betrayal.*

    *For help in dealing with a marriage mate’s disloyalty,

    see the article “Coping With a Spouse’s Betrayal,”

    in the June 15, 2010, issue of The Watchtower,

    pages 29-32.

    COMMENTS

    In this area, the divorce rate among jws is amazing; 7 out of 10 of my contemporaries.

    Now finally the WTS has a name and a quote.

    But notice this account of divorce in the bible. So do jws encourage people to send away their non-jw wives and children? If the mate is a non-jw, they cannot be the innocent mate?

    (Ezra 10:44) . . .These all had accepted foreign wives, and they proceeded to send away wives along with sons.

    *** w06 1/15 p.20 par.2***

    Whywere the children put away along with the wives? If the children had stayed behind, the likelihood that the dismissed wives would return on account of them would have increased. Moreover, little children generally require the care of their mother.

    14. (a) How does Jehovah feel about treachery

    in a marriage? (b) What did Jesus say about

    marital fidelity?

    14 How does Jehovah feel about those

    who leave their mates without a Scriptural

    reason? Our God ‘hates a divorcing,’

    and he has uttered strong words

    against those who abuse and abandon

    their marriage mates. (Read Malachi 2:

    13-16.) In heart harmony with his Father,

    Jesus taught that one cannot drive

    away or cast off an innocent mate and

    act as if nothing has happened.—Read

    Matthew 19:3-6, 9.

    COMMENTS

    Does God hate a divorcing based on Ezra 10:44? What about jw males who cheat with a non-jw, get df’d for one year and reinstated, and then marry the jw woman they wanted all along?

    15. How can those who are married strengthen

    their loyalty to their mates?

    15 How can those who are married remain

    loyal to their mates? God’s Word

    says: “Rejoice with the wife [or husband]

    of your youth” and, “See life with

    the wife [or husband] whom you love.”

    (Prov. 5:18; Eccl. 9:9) As both mates

    grow older, they must be “fully present”

    in their relationship, both physically

    and emotionally. That means being attentive

    to each other, spending time with

    each other, and drawing closer to each

    other. They have to focus on preserving

    their marriage and their relationship

    with Jehovah. To that end, couples

    need to study the Bible together, regularly work

    in the ministry together, and pray

    together for Jehovah’s blessing.

    COMMENTS

    How many elders can be “fully present” in their marriage and handle all the “duties” in the congregation? How many marriages fell apart due to neglect of the wife? Does attentive mean conduct the Family Worship weekly? When some elders wives found out that my husband studied together with me, I found out their husbands refused to do so because their wives were said to impede the excellence of their parts….one said they only time they heard their husband prayer was at a meeting.

    REMAIN LOYAL TO JEHOVAH

    16, 17. (a) How might our loyalty to God be

    put on the line in the family and the congregation?

    (b) What example illustrates that obeying

    God’s command to quit associating with

    disfellowshipped relatives can lead to good results?

    16 There are members of the congregation

    who committed serious sins and

    who were reproved “with severity, that

    they may be healthy in the faith.” (Titus

    1:13) For some, their conduct has

    required that they be disfellowshipped.

    For “those who have been trained by it,”

    the discipline has helped them to become

    spiritually restored. (Heb. 12:11)

    What if we have a relative or a close

    friend who is disfellowshipped? Now

    our loyalty is on the line, not to that

    person, but to God. Jehovah is watching

    us to see whether we will abide by

    his command not to have contact with

    anyone who is disfellowshipped.—Read

    1 Corinthians 5:11-13.

    COMMENTS

    Are we not to be loyal to Jesus?

    I thought it was the level of repentance that “required….disfellowshipped” not the sin.

    So where was the loyalty of Nathan and Bathsheba and Joab who knew of the adultery of David and Bathsheba and the murder of Uriah?

    Jehovah is watching? But many jws, including elders, dance around the association rule by using the “necessary family business” clause. After all “Jehovah as left the land and he is not seeing.”

    17 Consider just one example of the

    good that can come when a family loyally

    upholds Jehovah’s decree not to associate

    with disfellowshipped relatives. A

    young man had been disfellowshipped

    for over ten years, during which time his

    father, mother, and four brothers “quit

    mixing in company” with him. At times,

    he tried to involve himself in their activities,

    but to their credit, each member

    of the family was steadfast in not

    having any contact with him. After he

    was reinstated, he said that he always

    missed the association with his family,

    especially at night when he was alone.

    But, he admitted, had the family associated

    with him even a little, that small

    dose would have satisfied him. However,

    because he did not receive even

    the slightest communication from any

    of his family, the burning desire to be

    with them became one motivating factor

    in his restoring his relationship with

    Jehovah. Think of that if you are ever

    tempted to violate God’s command not

    to associate with your disfellowshipped

    relatives.

    COMMENTS

    If David had been put to death like the law required, his family definitely would not be associating with him. The WTS has compared df’ing to like being a dead person, executed under the Law code. But David was not executed, by association then he was not df’d.

    Even if a df’d person comes back, their “sin” follows them for years. Perhaps that is the same principle the WTS says will be applied to poor, dead Delilah never to be forgiven even after resurrection into the WTS earthly paradise, 1,000 years long.

    18. After having reviewed the merits of loyalty

    versus the consequences of disloyalty, what is

    your resolve?

    18 We live in a treacherous, disloyal

    world. Yet, all around us in the Christian

    congregation, we can find loyal examples

    to imitate. Their life course speaks

    for them, as if to say: “You are witnesses,

    God is also, how loyal and righteous

    and unblamable we proved to be to you

    believers.” (1 Thess. 2:10) May we all remain

    ever steadfast in our loyalty to God

    and to one another.

    COMMENTS

    We live in a treacherous, disloyal world…and that is just the people at the KH or the WTS

    .

    Christian congregation = only jws, yet they chose the name “Jehovah’s Witnesses” without a sign of “Christ” in that.

    CONCLUDING COMMENTS

    Next week, MAINTAIN A COMPLETE HEART TOWARD JEHOVAH.

    Another study without Jesus. Does anyone remember the hearts beating on the stage or field of the convention? That was one concept that had to be retracted.

    Love, Blondie

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    11 Peter did not reason that Jesus

    must have the wrong view of things and

    that if given time, He would recant what

    He had said. No, Peter humbly recognized

    that Jesus had “sayings of everlasting

    life.” Likewise today, how do

    we react if we encounter a point in our

    Christian publications from “the faithful

    steward” that is hard to understand

    or that does not match with our thinking?

    We should try hard to get the sense

    of it rather than merely expecting that

    there will be a change to conform to our

    viewpoint.—Read Luke 12:42.

    COMMENTS

    hard to understand IS NOT EQUAL TO get the sense of it

    Can any sane reader of the Watchtower understand the overlapping generations?

    But most of us get the sense of it: Yet another spiritual mast*******n of the GB to justify their stupidity position.

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    Knowsnothing

    Likewise today, how do

    we react if we encounter a point in our

    Christian publications from “the faithful

    steward” that is hard to understand

    or that does not match with our thinking?

    We should try hard to get the sense

    of it rather than merely expecting that

    there will be a change to conform to our

    viewpoint.—Read Luke 12:42.

    Ridiculous... they speak out of both sides of their mouth. They admit they have been wrong before, yet they expect the R&F to keep up with their 'new light', and take it as correct understanding, even though they may still be wrong.

  • Ding
    Ding

    Peter humbly recognized that Jesus had “sayings of everlasting life.” Likewise today, how do we react if we encounter a point in our Christian publications from “the faithful steward” that is hard to understand or that does not match with our thinking?"

    Notice the bait and switch.

    Because Peter humbly submitted to Jesus, JWs are supposed to humbly submit to the organization.

    Isn't that putting the organization on the same level as Jesus?

    Where is the humility in that, brothers?

  • blondie
    blondie

    Jesus may have the sayings of everlasting life, but that does not mean the words in the WT publications have the same importance. Is the FDS the same as Jesus or are they imperfect humans?
  • What Now?
    What Now?

    These lines from paragraphs 16 and 17 really pissed me off:

    "Now our loyalty is on the line, not to that person, but to God. Jehovah is watching us to see whether we will abide by his command not to have contact with anyone who is disfellowshipped."

    "Consider just one example of the good that can come when a family loyally upholds Jehovah’s decree not to associate with disfellowshipped relatives."

    "because he did not receive even the slightest communication from any of his family, the burning desire to be with them became one motivating factor in his restoring his relationship with Jehovah."

    Where is it "Jehovah's decree" that we shouldn't associate with disfellowshipped relatives??

    They are really solidifying their position on shunning here, by highlighting that this guys family didn't have the "slightest communication" with him.

  • iclone
    iclone

    I found it ironic that earlier in the WT lesson they warned us about blind ambition in connection with obtaining priviledges in the Cong. However acccording to paragraph 11 it basically says that all JW's should have "blind faith" when it comes to the teachings of the FDS. what morons. And please don't even get be started on the bs ladened paragraph 17!!!!

  • mind blown
    mind blown

    I gather with all the sexually frustrated hubby's , their must be many going astrey. It just so happens one of my family members has already been outrightly hit on by two MARREID brothers........

  • bobld
    bobld

    Thanks Blondie!

    Q11 talk about worshipping men.Pts in WT from FDS hard to understand.Yeah.because they are not in the bible.Like FDS understanding of the length of a generation.Like the FDS saying the generation that saw 1914 will not pass away(die).

    Q17 Do you think he came back after 10 years to worship the FDS or he was pulling the wool over their eyes so he could talk to family.

  • baltar447
    baltar447

    Gotta love" how they glorify their use of emotional blackmail in p17

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