It's like asking if Frodo used the name Voldermort......
Did Jesus ever use the name Jehovah?
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puffthedragon
Cantleave that was great!
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GeneM
If they had no J sound then he also never even said his own name as "Jesus" in his entire life... haha
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WTWizard
Even assuming he existed at all, I don't have any proof that the name Jehovah was in any LIE-ble New Testament at all. It was put in the Old Testament courtesy of a mistranslation by some monks that needed some proofreading. Perhaps a little less time in Christi-SCAM-ity and a little more time spent power meditating would have helped those monks.
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wannabefree
Isn't it something how much importance is put on this subject by the Watch Tower religion when the Bible has no record of Jesus doing this nor is it addressed at all in the Acts of the Apostles. This is one of the things that held a "hook" in my mind when I was waking up a couple of years ago.
Here is how I finally came to understand the subject for myself.
(John 17:26) And I have made your name known to them and will make it known, in order that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them."
Now think back to Moses.
(Exodus 6:3) . . .And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as God Almighty, but as respects my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them.
Was God known by his name before this statement to Moses? Insight on the Scriptures says yes indeed and explains how this verse can be understood.
*** it-1 p. 78 Almighty ***
This could not mean that the name Jehovah was unknown to these patriarchs, since it was frequently used by them as well as by others before them. .... they had not had opportunity to appreciate the full meaning and implications of his personal name (emphasis added)
With this thought in mind, how can Jesus' words at John 17:26 make sense, especially since the Divine Name does not appear at all (with the exception of hallelujah) in the Christian Greek Scriptures?
Think too of the famous Sermon on the Mount, Jesus' most extensive recorded teaching event. Nowhere on this occasion does he teach others to use the Divine Name or does he use it himself.
Look back a little in John chapter 17 ....
(John 17:11) . . .Holy Father, watch over them on account of your own name which you have given me
What is "your own name which you have given me"?
The Father gave the Son the name
(Matthew 1:21) She will give birth to a son, and you must call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins."
And what does that name mean?
*** it-2 p. 51 Jesus *** (Je′sus) [Lat. form of the Gr. I·e·sous′, which corresponds to the Heb. Ye·shu′a? or Yehoh·shu′a? and means "Jehovah Is Salvation"]
The Son made known God's name (John 17:26) by providing meaning to the name, just as the name was defined through Moses and the acts of deliverance from Egypt, so too the Son gave meaning to God as "Jehovah is Salvation" ... Jesus.
God's name IS made known through the name Jesus! The divine name, while not appearing anywhere in the Greek Scriptures as Jehovah, is in actuality throughout the text as "Jehovah is Salvation" (Jesus). By preaching the name Jesus, God is not relegated secondary to the Son, that is the Name the Father gave, his own name.
Now other texts that seemed problematic take on a whole new meaning and make sense. (At least it did to me.)
Such as ....
(Acts 4:12) . . .there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved."
(Mark 13:13) . . .and YOU will be objects of hatred by all people on account of my name. But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved.
(Acts 1:8) . . .YOU will receive power when the holy spirit arrives upon YOU, and YOU will be witnesses of me both in Jerusalem and in all Ju·de′a and Sa·mar′i·a and to the most distant part of the earth."
(John 14:26) . . .But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach YOU all things and bring back to YOUR minds all the things I told YOU.
(Acts 2:38) . . .Peter [said] to them: "Repent, and let each one of YOU be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for forgiveness of YOUR sins, and YOU will receive the free gift of the holy spirit.
(Acts 3:6) . . .However, Peter said: "Silver and gold I do not possess, but what I do have is what I give you: In the name of Jesus Christ the Naz·a·rene′, walk!"
(Acts 4:18-20) . . .With that they called them and charged them, nowhere to make any utterance or to teach upon the basis of the name of Jesus. 19 But in reply Peter and John said to them: "Whether it is righteous in the sight of God to listen to YOU rather than to God, judge for yourselves. 20 But as for us, we cannot stop speaking about the things we have seen and heard."
(Acts 8:12) . . .But when they believed Philip, who was declaring the good news of the kingdom of God and of the name of Jesus Christ, they proceeded to be baptized, both men and women.
(Acts 9:27-28) . . .and he told them in detail how on the road he had seen the Lord and that he had spoken to him, and how in Damascus he had spoken boldly in the name of Jesus. 28 And he continued with them, walking in and out at Jerusalem, speaking boldly in the name of the Lord;
(1 Peter 4:16) 16 But if [he suffers] as a Christian, let him not feel shame, but let him keep on glorifying God in this name.
(1 Corinthians 5:4-5) . . .in the name of our Lord Jesus, when YOU are gathered together, also my spirit with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5 YOU hand such a man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, in order that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.
(Matthew 24:9) 9 "Then people will deliver YOU up to tribulation and will kill YOU, and YOU will be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name.
(Matthew 7:21-23) 21 "Not everyone saying to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?' 23 And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew YOU! Get away from me, YOU workers of lawlessness.
(Acts 4:29-30) . . .grant your slaves to keep speaking your word with all boldness, 30 while you stretch out your hand for healing and while signs and portents occur through the name of your holy servant Jesus."
(Acts 9:15-17) . . .the Lord said to him: "Be on your way, because this man is a chosen vessel to me to bear my name to the nations as well as to kings and the sons of Israel. 16 For I shall show him plainly how many things he must suffer for my name." 17 So An·a·ni′as went off and entered into the house, and he laid his hands upon him and said: "Saul, brother, the Lord, the Jesus that appeared to you on the road over which you were coming, has sent me forth, in order that you may recover sight and be filled with holy spirit."
(Acts 9:27-29) . . .he had spoken boldly in the name of Jesus. 28 And he continued with them, walking in and out at Jerusalem, speaking boldly in the name of the Lord; 29 and he was talking and disputing with the Greek-speaking Jews. . . .
(Matthew 18:20) . . .For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst."
.... And so on, and so on
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Las Malvinas son Argentinas
Jesus spoke in Aramaic, so it's unlikely he used the uniquely Hebrew term of YHWH. In Aramaic texts found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, they switched back to the Hebrew script for YHWH. I doubt it was used colloquially in everyday Aramaic speech. He believed that YHWH was his father and that's why he always used "Father" when referring to him. I don't call my father by his name when speaking to others about him. Jesus always struck me as the kind of guy who would speak in the dialect of the masses rather than the uppity speech that the Pharisees would use.
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Disillusioned Lost-Lamb
I think the bible is a pant load, but with that said let me ask you this, how many times do you call your Dad by his first name? When speaking to others about your father, do use his name or just say my Dad....?
Unless you need to, you probably don't use either one of your parent's names very often.
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apostatethunder
He usually called Him Father.
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Jeffro
Bubblegum Apotheosis
@Jeffro: Can you provide evidence for your claim, this will be good! Dr. Bart Erhman has recently been making a case for Jesus Of Nazareth, I would like to see how you refute Dr. Erhman's latest works. Please share you insights into your discovery of this fraud!
You mean Bart Ehrman the evangelical Christian? Others more qualified than me have already criticized Ehrman's poor methodology.
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mP
@smiddy
Most other european langauges pronounce the letter J as what we think of as Y.