Thinking, Fast and Slow

by DNCall 18 Replies latest jw experiences

  • DNCall
    DNCall

    A book that has really helped me understand the mechanics of what keeps people stuck in the Witness religion is Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman. The premise of the book can be illustrated as follows:

    A bat and a ball together cost $1.10. The bat costs $1.00 more than the ball. How much does the ball cost?

    Most people, with confidence, will answer that the ball costs $0.10, and they are absolutely wrong. If that was your answer, don’t worry. Harvard and MIT students who responded to the question got it wrong.

    The part of the brain that initially tackles this question interprets the bat as costing $1.00. This would leave $0.10 for the cost of the ball. The question seems simple enough to go with what our brain initially tells us. This is an example of thinking fast.

    The question is actually more complicated. The bat costs $1.00 more than the ball. The correct answer is that the ball costs $0.05 (with the bat costing $1.05, which is $1.00 more than the ball and, when added to the cost of the ball, totals $1.10). To arrive at the correct answer requires more careful thinking, perhaps with the aid of pencil and paper. This is an example of thinking slow.

    Psychologists refer to the part of the brain that thinks fast, based on intuition, impression and interpretation, as “System 1.” The part of the brain that requires more time to analyze, calculate and verify (i.e., think slow) is identified as “System 2.”

    System 1 is easier than System 2, and it feels much better. In the case of the Witnesses, it is a matter of preferring the simple concepts of “the truth” that are learned and stored in System 1, to the more difficult analysis of those concepts that occur in System 2.

    I can remember how “safe” it felt to stay in System 1, with its answers for everything (as provided by the religion). I also remember how incredibly difficult it was to respond to the prodding of System 2, as when experiencing cognitive dissonance.

    With respect to the teachings of the Witness religion, I think each of us has a trigger that causes us to spend more time in System 2. The effect of this is to then become aware of the fallacies we accepted while in System 1.

    From his account in Crisis of Conscience, Ray Franz’s trigger was his and Ed Dunlap’s research for Aid to Bible Understanding. It is evident that both men were System 2 kinda guys. However for them to stay in System 2 given the consequences of what they were discovering, there had to be the sense that they were “on to something” important—a sense of purpose.

    Although the circumstances of what triggered System 2 for us may not have been as dramatic or consequential as those that were experienced by Franz and Dunlap, the same components were present—the discovery and sense of purpose that meant making a change.

    In our parlance “the conscious class” refers to those who have found their trigger. Although mentally out of the religion, family issues and other considerations keep them physically where they are.

    After reading the book, I have hope that many who are still “safe” living in System 1 will experience their trigger event or events and will take the appropriate action for them.

  • Iamallcool
    Iamallcool

    (bookmarked for later reading)

  • 00DAD
    00DAD

    Sounds like a conversation I had recently with a good friend over a single malt whiskey and a fine cigar!

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    I actually heard a long interview with a guy who said he invented the "Bat and Ball" illustration, would that have been Daniel Kahmenan ? I did not catch his name as I went in to the programme late and out early (I was supposed to be working at the time, a short tea break was extended as long as I dare).

    He had a lot to say about how the brain works, it was fascinating, as a lot of it was like the above example, not at all what you would think.

    The WT of course does all it possibly can to stop its members from thinking, especially in a logical and rational way, everything of that ilk must be stamped on quickly or their whole house of cards comes a tumbling down.

    I find now, having been out a number of years, I am able to think rationally and critically about most things, and often come to a very different conclusion than those around me, they often tend to take the easy route of going with the "herd" in its opinions and predjudices, something I am no longer prepared to do.

    I had too many years of nodding my head in agreement to things that just did not really add up to me, what a fool I was not to question EVERYTHING !

  • gubberningbody
    gubberningbody

    It was Daniel Kahneman. I'm about half-way through the book right now and the archetypes of System I and System II are developed to ease the reader into appreciating more complex psychological processes. What I'm getting out of all this is that expertise which is not tied in to direct causal relationships has attenuated value as the distance increases. At a certain distance, it becomes worthless. For example, the business of stock picking is predicated to be an expert business, however the systems themselves are so far removed from cause-effect relationships in time that the expert fares no better than chance. What was really, really interesting is how the experts themselves become inured to appreciating the uselessness of their expertise in certain situations even WHEN it is all explained very carefully to them.

  • NomadSoul
    NomadSoul

    That was easy $1.10=x+(x+1)

  • NomadSoul
    NomadSoul

    They must've asked the students with a major in Art. Lol

    Good post though and good recommendation.

  • Disillusioned Lost-Lamb
    Disillusioned Lost-Lamb

    I had an argument with a woman who said she won $160 at a casino.

    I asked her how much she had to spend/gamble to get that and she said "$100"

    I then replied, "So you only really won $60"

    She said, "No I won $160"

    I said "well I was figuring the $100 you already spent and then got returned, so you only came out $60 ahead of what you originally had right?"

    By then she was getting irritated and said, "I don't know why you can't understand that I WON $160, sheesh."

    I then replied, "Ok, well congrats anyway" and did a face palm in my mind.

  • breakfast of champions
    breakfast of champions

    Just so happens I am at the DC reading this very book in my car in the parking lot. Excellent stuff! Way better than the crap inside.

  • DesirousOfChange
    DesirousOfChange

    I can remember how “safe” it felt to stay in System 1, with its answers for everything (as provided by the religion). I also remember how incredibly difficult it was to respond to the prodding of System 2, as when experiencing cognitive dissonance.

    I found when I discovered TTATT via System 2, it was indeed difficult -- try SCARY. The safety and security of knowing I was one of the privleged few who was right about the mysteries of the universe came crashing in on me.

    I'm not sure which pill is better to take.

    Doc

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