Why should we hold other people responsible for what child sexual abusers do?

by Lady Lee 35 Replies latest jw friends

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    As for the rest, I don't know. Child molesting seems incurable and untreatable. What can be done other than lock these people up permanently?

    Someone has to be accountable for these molesters. They were created by the pressure cooker of fundamental religion for the most part. Paul and Peter in the NT started the worship of pain and suffering (which includes, but is not limited to sexual abstinence) and now we have child molestors because of it.

    1 Cor 5: It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father’s wife.

    ^ This scripture shows that even then Paul and Peter's policies were creating sexual problems within their congregation that was admitted devient behavior that was worse than the surrounding nations. This is an ancient problem we have here that has to be finally set to rest. It is the religion's that have sex taboos fault and they should be helping fix the problem. They have a lot of money.

    Where I live now (Ontario Canada) we have a sex offenders list.

    Having a legal list is very important. One thing about a list, though, that I have seen is that there has to be a reasonable way off of it. It's not terribly hard to frame somone and get them on the list. I have seen it used as a potent weapon against enemies with lasting results. Also, with the science that is coming in we should be able to classify offenses better which is a problem right now. In my state you can get on the sex offenders list without touching a human being. There are laws called "irritating a minor" which can get you on the list. An 18 year old having sex with a 17 year old will do it too. That is not a crime that deserves a life sentence. This problem is all kinds of messed up, that's why I think the religion's coffers should open up to fund the effort to solve the problem they created.

    It's just like the war on drugs. The war on sex has been waged by fundamental religions for so long even though it's impossible to win. Now we have drug lords and child molestors... thanks guys, appreciate it.

    -Sab

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    Paul and Peter in the NT started the worship of pain and suffering (which includes, but is not limited to sexual abstinence) and now we have child molestors because of it.

    huh? Really? the worship of pain and suffering along with abstinence have absolutely nothin g to do with the sexual abuse of children. NOTHING. For my father it was about the sex and taking whatever control he could over others. He had women friends and visited prostutues.

    My step-father on the other hand thought his version of control was some sort of sexual education of children but he really didn't care. He chansed after anything in a skirt.

    A few of my other abusers were simply trying to get off on the sex.

    Out of 11 abusers - yes I said 11 - not one was into infliction pain on me.

    It is the religion's that have sex taboos fault

    ok I am having another "say what?" moment. Believe me religion had nothing to do with most of the abuse I experienced. It may have made things worse when the abuse was discovered but it was the abuse itself that was the problem. No child is ready to experience adult sexuality. That is a psychological issue not a religious one.

    Maybe again I am not understanding you. But you cannot lay all the world's problems at the feet of religion. Some of my abusers were the most non-religious people I ever knew.

    Can we agree to a more balanced perspective on this?

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    Maybe again I am not understanding you. But you cannot lay all the world's problems at the feet of religion.

    In truth you cannot put all the blame on the perpetrators either. It's extremely rare for someone to sexually abuse a child without first being sexually abused themselves as a child. It's a very long cycle that starts somewhere down the line. It seems overwhelmingly obvious to me that it started when people starting creating a system of sexual morality and government.

    Take male homosexuality for instance. There is no way sodemny didn't spread disease in the ancient world. From a governmental perspective it should have been banned to keep the city clean from actual defilement that would kill them and their family. Once contraception technology was developed and refined, however, sodemny became much more manageable. But the governments could not change with the winds of technology because people historically worship their governmental writings. Only up until recently was their a demand for separation between church and state. So now, even today, we have raging debates over gay marriage. It's all because religion is still in government. You can chalk up ALL the woes that homosexuals have faced to religious government, that is for the most part long gone, and it's after effects.

    It's the same with sexual predators. As you know religion doesn't seem to play a part for your abusers, but that doesn't mean religion didn't cause the abuse. If someone hangs a homosexual you could say that that person just is evil and isn't a reflection of their church. That is not true in the slightest. The Bible's abomidable "hate" for homosexuality WILL eventually cause someone to hang a homosexual, more than once. That has been proven beyond the shadow of a doubt.

    Governments regulated heterosexual sex back in the day for simiar reasons why they regulated homosexual sex. They were taking one of their few options that was available to them to protect against disease. You can't just convince people how to manage their sex lives, though. You have to attach a God stigma to it, which at the time would have been true. God works through human governments and if he had a disease problem he had a disease problem. There isn't really anything moral about it, it's just science.

    But how do people look at the old laws today? They worship them and think that they were written down for mystical purposes and are connected to their salvation in the afterlife. Much like circumcision of Peter's day. With today's technology circumcision is not necessary, but in the ancient times it would have been an edge on other civilizations that had to accommodate for the medical and hygienic difference. How did the people of Acts 15 take the law? They worshipped it and thought that it was written down for mystical purposes and was connected to their salvation in the afterlife. There are patterns here that cannot be turned aside.

    My mother's sister married a sexual deviant. This was because her religion prohibited sex before marriage so they tied the knot to early. They then had three kids, two sons and one daughter. The husband raped the daughter and increased her sexuality at a young age. That daughter then came through my family like a whirlwind of sex. She, at one point, had sex with almost every young person in my family from infants to preteens I being one of them when I was around 5 years old. This early sex experience changed my sexuality permanently. I used to have sexual crushes on every girl in school that was remotely attractive even from a very young age. I was very guilty about my thoughts because I thought my salvation in the afterlife was at stake. I had no choice but to have this problem because of my cousin's father's choice.

    Everyone that my cousin had sex with is not doing well in their adult life. They all have emotional problems and were/are forced to use only the Jehovah's Witness religion to solve their problems. My cousin was defintely a predator, but I hold no animosity towards her. I know that she is just damaged and what happened was what happened. I do hold some strong animosity towards her father, but even then I know that he is too.

    It's my belief that every sexual offense, if you could somehow travel back in time, could be explained by sexual repression (caused by religion) of someone in the genetic line which created a cycle of pain and suffering that made their religion believe it was the time of the end. Firefighters that start their own fires. There are no heroes in this story, yet, only villians and victims.

    -Sab

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    well you could go right back to the Garden of Eden and blame everything on Adam and Eve.

    To me religion makes it worse. It isn't the cause of it

    I think I will stop there and just agree to disagree.

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    I think I will stop there and just agree to disagree.

    That's perfectly fine with me.

    -Sab

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    As to the title of the thread - "why should we hold other people responsible for what child sexual abusers do?"

    I say look no further than the Penn State football program for the clear answer to that.

    Important people with the power to do something ignored it, did nothing, and rightly got fired. The university organization will still be fighting off the civil lawsuits for twenty five years - at least.

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