Giving public talk, need some help!

by Silent_Scream 14 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Teary Oberon
    Teary Oberon

    How about you actually try being honest with your friend instead of deceptive? It is normally a good policy.

    Even though Paul did outwardly make himself "all things to all people," he certainly never lied about who he was and he most certainly never held back or 'watered down' his opinion just to keep from being 'discovered.' He spoke what he felt was the truth and he spoke it plainly.

    You will also not find any examples of your type of behavior from Jesus or any of the other apostles or disciples either. They spoke their minds and what they felt was right even if it meant scorn and rejection from the people they knew and loved best. Heck, even littletoe, in his own twisted way, showed guts and bravery by refusing to hide like he was ashamed of his true beliefs, and by speaking his mind openly in front of people

    Can you really say that you are following their example?

  • ScenicViewer
    ScenicViewer

    Teary said,

    They spoke their minds and what they felt was right even if it meant scorn and rejection from the people they knew and loved best.

    Yes, Paul and other early Christians did. And early Watchtower publications support this. For example the book Thy Kingdom Come (1911), pp 184-185, warns against joining "human organizations" because those doing so will "bind themselves to believe neither more nor less than the creed expresses on the subject."

    And if they "think for themselves," or 'speak their own minds' as you have expressed it, they will have to "come out of such a sect."

    The same publication observes that to do this will "cost some effort, disrupting, as it often does, pleasant associations, and exposing the honest truth-seeker to the silly charges of being a "traitor" to his sect, a "turncoat," one "not established," etc."

    It goes on to say, "When one joins a sect, his mind is supposed to be given up entirely to that sect, and henceforth not his own. The sect undertakes to decide for him what is truth and what is error."

    Today the Watchtower says that everyone must think alike, in order to be united as Christians. Not only is it unacceptable to talk about something the Society doesn't teach, Witnesses today are warned against even 'harboring private ideas.' The only beliefs that are acceptable are those of the leadership, which has been deemed to be the governing body of the "faithful and discreet slave."

    To 'speak one's own mind and what he felt was right' would today be viewed as a 'defection, an abandonment, a falling away from the teachings of the slave,' and the person would be disfellowshipped for apostasy.

    Sadly, the WTS has adopted the controlling methods it once warned against.

  • punkofnice
    punkofnice

    He's going to have to stick to the source material in the outline.

    If we can have a sneaky beaky. The title (it might be one I or one of us used to give)? Some of the scriptures. Anything would help.

    Oh, and Teary - don't forget it isn't just JWs that can use 'theocratic warfare strategy'!

  • wordfamine.com
    wordfamine.com

    This would be an excellent topic for Kingdon Hall Consumption. I think some would actually make the connection to their own situation.

    Article

    Are the Scriptures Sufficient?

    The Roman Catholic Church says that the Bible is materially sufficient but not formally sufficient. Materially sufficient means that everything the Christian needs to believe is found in Scripture. Formally sufficient means that in order to understand the Bible, the Roman Catholic Church has to interpret it. The problem here is that this position subjects the Bible to Roman Catholic interpretations and essentially makes Catholic sacred tradition superior to scripture1 -- since it declares that the Bible can't be understood except through the Catholic Church's Magisterium. Since we don't see doctrines such as worship of Mary, prayer to Mary, her immaculate conception, purgatory, penance, etc., found in Scripture (material sufficiency), we must naturally ask if the Roman Catholic view of formal sufficiency is correct. It isn't.

    The inspired word of God, the Scriptures, make statements about its own sufficiency.

    2 Tim. 3:16-17 , "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17 that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work."

    Let's take a look at the Greek. The word "inspired" is qeovpneustos (theopneustos) and it means literally, "God breathed." This means that God was the one working through people, breathing through them his words. The Scriptures, therefore, are perfect and without error because they come from God. Paul continues and says that these Scriptures are profitable for teaching, for proof, for correction, and for training in righteousness. In verse 17 he explains that this is so the Christian may be adequate, equipped for every good work. The word artios (artios) is defined as follows:

    • "complete, capable, proficient, able to meet all demands."2
    • "complete, perfect of its kind, suitable, exactly fitted"3
    • "complete, perfect. 2a having reference apparently to "special aptitude for given uses."4

    So, we see from three sources that explain the Greek that Paul is telling us that the Scriptures are "complete, capable, proficient, able to meet all demands, exactly fitted, etc." This is fine, but Paul continues to tell us that this so we might understand that by studying the Scriptures, we will be adequately equipped for every good work.

    The Greek word for "equipped" is ejxhrtismevno" (exartismenos) and it means, "having been finished, fully equipped":

    • "equip, furnish. " 5
    • "to be thoroughly prepared or furnished."6
    • "to complete, finish. 1a to furnish perfectly. 1b to finish, accomplish."7

    We can then see that we are equipped for every good work. Every good work is explained in the previous verse as teaching, reproof, correction, and training in righteousness. This means that the Bible is sufficient for all of these things. This naturally includes the teaching of doctrine because teaching correct doctrine is a good work by which we reprove, correct, and train. Furthermore, this means that we don't need sacred tradition to teach, reprove, correct, and train in righteousness because the Scriptures are what is sufficient for this.

  • cantleave
    cantleave

    Thats a 45 minute outline that now has to be delivered in 30 minutes?

    Not a chance of sneaking anything in. He won't even be able to get a decent intro or conclusion, the scriptures will pertain to the main points and outline is structured to indoctrinate.

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