Hatred Toward Gays / Homosexuals

by garbonzo 65 Replies latest members adult

  • garbonzo
    garbonzo

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s4ntjojrJ0

    I was laughing so hard, lol. Not that the video, but just what was implied.

    @Quendi I think you are being way too defensive here when we are all on the same side.

    You either are one of Jehovah's Witnesses or once were. As such then your words show the kind of narrow-mindedness and non-sequitur logic we have come to expect from them.

    144001 said a few times already that he is an athiest, how could he be a JW? Did you miss that, or am I mis-understanding you? If he was a JW before (but which I got the impression he wasn't), and you are calling him having narrow-minded and having non-sequitur logic because of that, you are in effect saying that about yourself, also! It doesn't make sense and is therefore undeserved. He said that he voted against Prop 8, and supports gay rights, this is way way more than anything a JW would do! I don't get why you are being so defensive? All he said was he doesn't think gays should have special treatment when it comes to our world history.

    I personally don't think it is needed as long as some sort of explaining and teaching is done about homosexuality and anti-bullying is taught probably in Health class. Is this really so important to you? It doesn't seem like such a big deal to me.

    You also never followed up on my earlier post discussing that link you gave me to look up.

  • Shanagirl
    Shanagirl

    Gays, Homosexuals, Transgenders, Transsexuals, Lesbian, Are all LOVED BY THE SUPREME SOURCE AND TRUE GOD OF THE ALL and His OnlyBegotten Son the Christ (Autogenes)

    just as all of humankind, are created with the Epinnoia of light and knowledg within themselves. The inner knowing and connection to the Divine Source of illuminated pure light. This light is our dvine connection to the Ineffable unimaginable, unknowable Source, and the All of the emminations and aeons and divine lights. This Source is the Mother Father to all the Pleroma and many aeons and realms, each emminating new realms, and divine lights.

    This story makes me know that all of mankind is connected to this light, whether Gay or Straight, Rich or Poor , Good or Bad, we all have connection to this divine light within and is what Christ came to teach simply that this light will be reason treat our fellow man under the law of love, and mercy, and care. When we pass, our shell of a body from the mud of the earth, sets free this divine light inside of us to return to the Pleroma the highest of the Heavens where the Light awaits; No "Salvationist" Religion that worships an angry authortarian jealous god kills those whom he does not approve of, whether they be children or women or elderly. He is a false and blind god who began chaos and put humankind in the center of the caos to suffer and toil for his own ego because he boastfully says "I AM GOD, and

    BESIDES Me there Is NO Other gods before me. When he boasted of this all the aeons , and lights and gods, and angels Believed him at first,

    This is the story jesus told John of Zebeddee, of who his Real Father is who begot the son, the Christ.:

    Much of what we know before the creation of the material world and Adam, can be found in the text, titled The Apocryphon of John (Secret Book of John), is a revelation of Jesus to John, son of Zebedee, who was said to have written this down.

    In the beginning there was only one invisible Spiritperfect, pure, holy, immaculate, ageless and virgin. He was the Ineffable One. He is neither corporeal, nor incorporeal. He is invisible because no one can see him, yet he emanated pure, immeasurable light. He is indestructible and eternal. Jesus revealed whom the real Supreme Being or Heavenly Father (in the New Testament), as the First Aeon, and The God. In this text, he was mostly referred to the "invisible Spirit" or "holy Spirit". In the Gospel of the Egyptians, he is called the "Great, Invisible Spirit". For the sake of convenient, I will call him Father or Spirit. Jesus did know that the god of the OT, who's name was yahweh, Jehovah, Eloheim, Yaldabaoth, Sabaoth. This was a defected blind god who believed he was the prime creator demanded worship or else. He was emotional, haughty, arrogant, sadistic, and a lier. He created matter, and chaos from matter, and he and his blind ignorant Archons together modelled the first humans on the earch as it's explianed by Jesus to John. This old testament god of the 3 Abrahamic Religions Christianity, Islam, Jewish, and it's tribal exclusivism has been at the root of the wars and chaos of man over religious conflict in the earth. The Christ of the New testament did not worship the Abrahamic Warrior gods, rather the Supreme Heavenly Father of Light and Love.

    The story of how True source emminated forth the beginning of everything Begins here:

    The Spirit then look in the spring of life, and by the power of His thought, brought forth a feminine being, whose light was like His, and her power was also like his. She was the emanation of Him, His feminine counter-part. She was known as Barbelo, the forethought of all, and the perfect Aeon.

    This is the first thought, his image; she became the womb of everything, for it is she who is prior to them all, the Mother-Father, the first man, the holy Spirit, the thrice-male, the thrice-powerful, the thrice-named androgynous one, and the eternal aeon among the invisible ones, and the first to come forth. – The Apocryphon of John

    From the pure light that emanated from her and surrounding Him, a spark ignited from him and she conceived another pure light – the "Only-Begotten Child" of His, or the divine Autogenes as the text called him. The divine Autogenes was the aeon Christ - the "Anointed One ".

    L ike his father and mother, Autogenes (Christ) was pure and holy. Everything the Son (Autogenes/Christ) have done, he work for the glories of his Father (Spirit) and Mother (Barbelo). Here are the Gnostic holy Trinity – Father, Mother and Son, like the Orthodox concept of the Trinity – Father, Son and Holy Spirit; the three perfect aeons

    From the Spirit and Christ, they produced four helpers for Autogenes (Christ), known as the Luminaries or the Light Aeons. Under each light-aeon, there were three aeons, making a total of twelve aeons.

    • The light-aeon Armozel (or Harmozel) was the first angel, and with him, was three aeons – grace, truth and form.
    • The second light-aeon was Oriel (or Oroiael; possibly the archangel Uriel), with three other aeons – conception, perception and memory.
    • The third light was Daveithai, who was in company of understanding, love and idea.
    • The fourth light aeon was Eleleth, and with him – perfection, peace and wisdom (Sophia).

    All four light aeons and twelve aeons served Autogenes (Christ). Christ works on the Spirit's will, while the Spirit works through Christ. Four other beings dwelled with four Luminaries. Pigera-Adamas or Adamas, the perfect human being (Cosmic Man), lived with Armozel. Seth, the son of Adamas, dwelled with Oriel. The Posterity of Seth, or the souls of holy people, lived with Daveithai. Finally, the last aeon known as the Souls, those who are not acquainted with the truth or gnosis until later, dwelled with Eleleth.

    It is at this point that the text shifted its focus away from the Triad, to the lowest and the youngest of the twelve aeons – Sophia (the aeon of Wisdom). It is at this point Jesus tells John son of zebedee how Sophia the light creation which was a feminine emanation wanted to create her image just as the Father had and when i

  • Sophia and the Demiurge

    Most Gnostics see Sophia or "Wisdom" as the most important aeon, after the Autogenes (Christ). Sophia was important, because she set in motion the creation of the material world.

    Sophia was a Greek name for wisdom. Another name frequently associated with Sophia, was Pistis or "Faith". Sometimes Pistis was seen as a separate being, where she was seen as the mother of Sophia, but often Pistis was just another name for Sophia. Frequently, various texts used the two name together, as Pistis Sophia, as in the The Hypostasis of the Archons.

    Sophia as the mother, should not be confused with Barbelo, the perfect mother. Whereas Barbelo was known as "Forethought", Sophia was equated "Afterthought". Here we see the text is influenced with these names (Forethought/Afterthought), which can be found in Greek mythology, where the Titan Prometheus or Forethought, hero of mankind, was different from his brother Epimetheus or Afterthought, who married Pandora, the first woman who brought suffering to mankind, ending the Golden Age.

    Sophia, probably in pride, tried to emulate the invisible Spirit (Father) in producing Barbelo, by created an image of herself. Meaning that she wanted to produce an offspring, without either consort or the approval of her Father (Spirit). As an aeon, she did have the power to do so, but she wasn't perfect like the great Spirit, or like the other two perfect aeons, Barbelo and the Autogenes.

    She was horrified when she spawned an ugly, imperfect creature – a lion-faced serpent with eyes of fire, whom she called Yaldabaoth.

    Sophia cast her offspring out of pleroma, and hid her child within a thick cloud from the other aeons, because of her embarrassment and shame.

    Yaldabaoth was the first of the archon ("ruler") and he stole his mother's power, so that she wasn't able to escape from the cloud. Despite gaining Sophia's aeonic power, he was weak, but he was ambitious and power hungry.

    Since the archons, including Yaldabaoth, were androgynous beings, Yaldabaoth fathered twelve archons, giving each a bit of his power. They were named Athoth, Harmas, Kalila-Oumbri, Yabel, Adonaiou (or Sabaoth), Cain, Abel, Abrisene, Yobel, Armoupieel, Melceir-Adonein and Belias. Seven archons would rule seven heavens and five in the abyss, which Yaldabaoth and the archons created. Each archon would rule a heaven (or the abyss), and created 365 angels to help them.

    According to The Origin of the World, there is an interesting account about his children. Yaldabaoth created a realm, called matter. And from this matter, Yaldabaoth created seven androgynous offspring, like himself, to rule seven realms or heavens of chaos. Each offspring have masculine and feminine names.

    His first son opened his eye for the first time, he said "Eee!", so Yaldabaoth called his son Eee-a-o, which is ‘Yao’. The second opened his eyes and said "Eh!", so his father called him ‘Eloai’, while the third said "Asss!" so he was called ‘Astaphaios’.

    SambathasPronoia (Forethought)
    YaoLordship
    SabaothDeity
    AdonaiosKingship
    ElaiosJealousy
    OraiosWealth
    AstaphaiosSophia (Wisdom)

    In his arrogance, Yaldabaoth boasted to the other archons that:

    "I am God and there is no other God beside me!" – The Apocryphon of John (II 11:20)

    Yaldabaoth was weak and ignorant, because he didn't realise that were any power greater than him. He thought he was the First. Yaldabaoth had sinned for saying these words, which was why he was called Samael – "the blind god". .

    According to The Hypostasis of the Archons and On the Origin of the World, it was Sophia, who rebuked him and gave him this name, Samael.

    "You are mistaken, Samael" – The Hypostasis of the Archons (II 87:2)

    According to The Hypostasis of the Archons, after this boast, he challenged the voice:

    "If any other thing exists before me, let it be shown forth to me!" – The Hypostasis of the Archons (II 94:25)

    So Sophia stretch forth her finger and brought limitless light into matter and the region of chaos. The chief archon trembled in fear.

    When Yaldabaoth and the other archons heard the voice. They sought this voice and traced the voice to the abyss, where the chief archon saw the reflection of his mother in the water. They want take hold of the image but could not. They were ignorant and weak, because they didn't understand that the image was reflected from above.

    "I am a jealous God, and there is no other God beside me." But by announcing this he indicated to the angels who attended him that there exists another God. For if there were no other one, of whom would he be jealous? – The Apocryphon of John (II 13:9-12)

    If there are no other gods then why would he be jealous?

    It was at this point that Sophia realised what she have done, and repented. She prayed to her Father for her deliverance, and the restoration of the power that her son (Yaldabaoth) had stolen from her. Her light was diminishing, since the theft of her power. She was moving about, back and forth.

    It was at this point that the voice of the Ineffable Spirit was heard, rebuking Yaldabaoth and the archons. They trembled in fear, and saw reflected on the water, the image of God (Spirit), in human form.

  • This is a long story, but I want to say that the bottom line is that we as humans, our souls come to us from the Divine Light, and when we pass over and go back to our Divine God by living the on thing Christ taught us is Love. We will judge our self when we die and if we ask ourselve the question how many have I served. How much have I given and showed humanity and love. It won't matter what church you go to but what your answer is to yourself. We all have God's light in us, some try to darken it with discouragement, but that light is there and ready to radiate towards each other. Anyway, this is how I see it.

    Shana

    The Secret Book of John (Apocryphon of John)

  • bottleofwater
    bottleofwater

    I don't know what the post above this is all about, but the point is that hatred towards homosexuals is caused by religion and the media.

    Showing gay people as a separate group makes it easy to attack.

    But it is getting better in that regard.

  • 144001
    144001

    Quendi,

    I'm still waiting for your explanation of how imposition of the homosexual political agenda on society is necessary to enable people of all colors and sexual orientations to enjoy the privileges of American citizenship. Since your claim is entirely devoid of logic or merit, I'm not suprised that you'd like everyone to forget that you made it. And your fallacious appeal to authority (i.e., "I am an African-American male, so I speak from experience") does not make your claims any more logical, credible, or meritorious.

    Moreover, misrepresenting my statements and then attacking your own misrepresentations does not mitigate or otherwise remediate the senselessness of your comment. You wrote, " You acknowledge that discrimination exists, but would rather that nothing be done about ending it. You talk about knowing gays, but as long as they stay in the closet, that is fine. " Please provide some support for this gross misrepresentation of my comments. In fact, my comments are the antithesis of your misrepresentations. I expressed that I voted in favor of gay marriage. How does that support your claim that I would rather that nothing be done to end discrimination against gays? What in my comments supports your false conclusion that I would prefer that gays stay in the closet? Is it my expressed opposition to mandatory teaching of gay history to schoolchildren? Or could it be that you are incapable of honest debate?

    I speak from life experience as both an African-Armerican and gay man. You have no wish to identify with either group. That is your loss.

    With all due respect, Quendi, I'm caucasion, and I'm straight. I'm proud of my ancestry and have no homosexual urges. Why the hell should I try to identify myself as something I'm not, African-American and gay? Does everyone need to look and act like you or at least claim to look and act like you to obtain your approval?

    I may make a wrong assumption here but your presence on this board makes me think it might be true. You either are one of Jehovah's Witnesses or once were. As such then your words show the kind of narrow-mindedness and non-sequitur logic we have come to expect from them
    .

    Your hypocrisy is rather shameful. Earlier in your post, you attempted to disparage me by alleging that I "imply that all people in a particular group are alike." Then, you engage in the exact sort of conduct you accuse me of, by implying that all Jehovahs' Witnesses and former Jehovah's Witnesses "show the kind of narrow-mindedness and non-sequitur logic we have come to expect from them."

    As for affirmative action, I do think it's a failure and that it should never have been implemented in the first place. There is nothing "condescending" about my opinion. If you don't like my opinion, that's your right, but your dislike of or disagreement with my opinion does not make it "condescending."

    Quendi, your comments demonstrate both narrow-mindedness and a major chip on your shoulder. While I find that some of your points were valid (e.g., overbroad classifications/generalizations made by me), the statements I made in this regard were not intended to stereotype or generalize at all with respect to any particular group. I didn't spend hours to make sure that my post perfectly reflected my thoughts, so I apologize for the miscommunication. Nevertheless, nothing I said warranted the idiotic personal attack you chose to make against me.

  • garbonzo
    garbonzo

    144001 is right, as I said before, I think all this is is a misunderstanding. Quendi must have just skimmed your post or something because what he said about you wasn't what you said at all.

    We are all on the same side, but misunderstandings happen. :P

  • 144001
    144001

    Garbonzo,

    Thank you for your supportive comments. I don't post here very often any more but I can see that some things never change. My comments frequently generate responses from a variety of personalities, which unfortunately include but are not limited to the following:

    1. Those who must "win" the debate at any price: Posters of this variety include those who misstate/misrepesent the comments of others, and then attack their own misstatements/misrepresentations.

    2. Those who are so accustomed to sucking up to others that their support for others is reflexive, devoid of any meaningful analysis of its merit, and given without any consideration as to the response such mindless support will elicit from others. "Right on, Dude, I totally agree, that guy sucks for disagreeing with you . . . !" Such mindless expressions of support are analogous to the thoughtless uttering of "amen" at the kingdom hall; you did it not because you meant it, but because it became reflexive after years of programming!

    While negative forum interaction is undesirable, it does provide some clarity as to the character of those directly involved in it, as well as to the character of those who are exposed to it indirectly, as bystanders. This knowledge is useful when considering/analyzing future communications from such individuals.

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