"the wife should have deep respect for her husband" (Eph 5:33)

by Wonderment 41 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Wonderment

    Does anyone here think this command still applies in force today as it did 2000 years ago?

  • meangirl

    First of all I think that a wife should respect her husband and that a husband should respect his wife. It goes both ways. However, when this was written women were property. They could not own land, have an inheritance or testify in court. So at that time a man did not have to respect his wife and for the most part it is obvious that women were not respected. At that time it was not even a concept to respect women or that women would want to be respected. Heck, God HAD TO TELL Abraham to listen to Sarah. That is why it is only emphasized a man should love his wife or cherish her. I think it would not be so offensive if it read something to the effect that husbands and wives should respect each other. I have always had a problem with the scriptures always stressing the wife should have respect for her husband and that a husband should love his wife? I am a woman and I would rather be respected than loved. You don't have to like me or love me but you damn well better respect me!

  • Doug Mason
    Doug Mason

    Paul wrote that in God's sight, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus". (Gal 3:28, NIV)

    Paul used women in important roles.

    Ephesians was written near the end of the first century, about 50 years after Paul died. It was written by a mysoginist who wanted to get his ideas accepted, so he pretended that the letter to the Ephesians was written by Paul.

    This unacceptable process of forgery, of pretending that Paul wrote things that he did not write, happened with other NT writings, including Colossians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus and Hebrews.

    For example, since Paul fully expected Jesus to return in his own day, while he was still alive, he urged people not to marry, nor was he concerned at organisational structure. However, towards the end of the first century, when it became painfully aware that Paul's expectations of an imminent return would not be fulfilled, the ecclesias started to speak about organising theselves (elders, etc.), even saying that the leader had to be married; they also tried to silence women and told them their purpose was to be subservient and pregnant.

    Thus, not only did these later ideas not come from Paul, and are contrary to his teachings, they were fraudently put forward as having been written by Paul.


  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    I spit on Paul's letters literally (not the actual manuscripts) for all the niggardly little, stupid rules. When I read Paul for the first time as I would read a book, I was shocked. Almost all the revolting, nauseating women submission scriptures were in letters he did not write. I read John Dominic Crossan's book on Paul and the Roman Empire.

    I was so used to totally despising Paul from the Witnesses (the name Timothy makes me sick), I could not read clearly. There was much new information for me in the book. Paul was a true feminist. --for his time. Jesus was too. The scripture quote above --there is neither male nor female in Christ -- and the references to important church leaders who were women --reveal so much of Paul's general theology.

    It is extraordinary how you can read the same words, be excellent in reading comprehension, and still read what you are told will be there rather than the actual text.

    Admiring Paul is so shocking to me.

  • Hortensia

    should the wife respect her husband? Well, if he earned it. and if he respects her. Should she obey his every word and cater to his every whim? What kind of a marriage would that be?

    It would be interesting if marriage was about two people who love each other and can work out a way to live together without one of them having to compromise all the time.

  • dm6

    Yes a wife should have deep respect for her husband, but just as the husband should respect his wife for respecting him ......

    .... Now go fix me my sandwich.

  • Broken Promises
    Broken Promises
    .... Now go fix me my sandwich.

    Go get your own damn sandwich

  • dm6

    Broken Promises - May i refer to you why Jehoover made you women with smaller feet? its so you can stand closer to the oven.

  • Broken Promises
    Broken Promises

    I heard it was so we could stand closer to the kitchen sink.

  • dm6

    Sink, oven, either way.

Share this