Rape can be fornication myth in the 1990s?

by Chemical Emotions 20 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Chemical Emotions
    Chemical Emotions

    Although it was wrong for the WTBTS to claim this i the '60s, '70s, and '80s, I'm pretty sure (correct me if I'm wrong) that most "experts" believed it too. Maybe not the '80s. IDK.

    But did most people believe, especially experts -IN THE 1990S- that if you don't scream or fight when threatend with rape, you have committed fornication? The WTS did. Wer'en't most people better informed by the '90s? Can you give me quotes to prove this or ideas on how to find some opinions on rape in the '90s? I've looked but come up with nothing.

    I know, I know, I keep bugging you all for quotes, but it's important. I need to help a close family member who is a die-hard JW see the, you know, TRUTH.

  • ThomasCovenant
  • cantleave

    I used to work in a Chemical Pathology lab in the mid 80's, I was doing an HNC in the subject at the same time. Rape was always referred to as a violent crime. It was acknowledge that fear could make a victim freeze and become compliant. I only ever heard the scream thing in the org, and of course a book written by primitive goat herders.

  • mummatron

    I just read the page from the link in ThomasCovenant's post. I'm disgusted at the interpretation of OT scripture/Mosaic law and the WTBT$ attitude on rape. Going so far as blaming rape victims and mothers of rapists is sick!

    During the mid-90's I was sexually assaulted by a gang of teenage boys when what was a safe situation went awry due to circumstances beyond my control. I didn't scream as there was no point. Nobody would have heard me and I was outnumbered. They were bruising me just by forcibly trying to remove my clothes. I think if I'd have screamed the situation would have turned far more sinister. As it was I feigned compliance by convincing them to come along with me to look for my sister to 'join in the fun' and then sprinted to safety into a security portakabin after leading them on a wild goose chase. Sheesh! No wonder my parents never reported that to the elders.

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    I was ardently in feminist circles by the late 1960s and 1970s. Older women (I was in my late teens) gave presentations on rape. We were told to trust our instinct. Living was the paramount business. We were taught self defense mechanisms but a knife or gun precludes much. The popular culture of the time believed that a woman could not get penetrated by squirming or going for the eyeballs or testicles. I always had very strong feelings about it. The local ABC weatherman in NYC actually said on air after a newsreport of a rape that she should have just laid back and enjoyed it. It was his last appearance after more than 20 or 30 years on air.

    The WTS had strange ideas about rape. My cousin voiced that it was the woman's fault. Wearing short skirts, makeup, etc. was an engraved invitation to rape me. I mentioned earlier that I would short skirts and makeup. Bangs were also a come hither. Port Authortiy bus terminal was a place to never go unless you wanted to be raped. I had to go through it every weekday.

    Later, I read Susan Brownmiller's book on rape, Against Our Will. She reported that rape is not a sexual crime, but a violent one. Most rapes do not happen to women, but to men on other men in prison.

    Recalling those times I am feeling ill. The WT had hatred towards women. No religion has treated women well. I believe that even accepting their fundamentalism and what they perceive as traditional roles, the hatred is overboard. Rutherford was a pig but I think more than just one man was at work. I will repeat what my father, the former Bethelite said about a nun raped in our neighborhood church. She deserved it, he said to Catholic neighbors.

    I relish the idea of these GB and other luminaries doing time in the pen, facing down a massive inmate who wants sex and subjugation. Notions of fornication would change quickly.

    Personally, I would love to hear theories about why the WT treats women so badly.

  • Bonnie_Clyde
    Although it was wrong for the WTBTS to claim this i the '60s, '70s, and '80s, I'm pretty sure (correct me if I'm wrong) that most "experts" believed it too. Maybe not the '80s. IDK.

    I'm inclined to think you are right. I remember a documentary on TV (wish I could remember the year, but believe it was early 70's) which dealt with the way rape victims were dealt with in court. It explained why many never took it to court because of the way they were mistreated. In one scenario the victim was asked about the length of her skirt, another was asked about her sexual history, another whether she undressed in her bedroom with the curtains open. The paradigm was often, "nice girls don't let themselves get raped."

  • clarity

    Here again we see how false teachings lead to disaster!

    "So I explained that if I resisted him and remained faithful to my God and my husband, and was killed for this faithfulness, I would have a hope of being resurrected to a Paradise earth and everlasting life. But if I gave in and he raped me, I would eventually die and have no hope of a resurrection."


    What a great pile of sshhhhhhheeeeeeeeeittt!

    (can't get rid of the red!)

    This watchtower society makes it's members so vulnerable by virtue of their lies.


  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    Against Our Will was a best-seller in 1975. As I recall, rape quickly became a key feminist issue, along with abortion rights. Certainly, by the 1990's mainstream society had changed to embrace a more feminist take on rape. I assume that by the 1990s almost all states changed to their laws to make it easier for survivors to come forward and successfully press a conviction. Corroboration became less strict. I can't begin to imagine how hard it must be to step forward now but it is easier.

    I don't have JW research tools. Do you think someone had power or influence in the 1990s to soft peddle the issue. What do they currently say about rape? Again, from my own experience, when I was young, women always thought the raped had to ask for it. Whores were raped. Proper women were safe. Women were more judgmental than men. Denial that it can easily to happen to you is a strong force.

    Now when I talk with women the attitude is exactly the opposite. The progress is amazing.

    May I ask how the WT presents it now and how Witness women perceive themselves vis a vis rape?

  • shepherd

    "Most rapes do not happen to women, but to men on other men in prison." - What??

    "I relish the idea of these GB and other luminaries doing time in the pen, facing down a massive inmate who wants sex and subjugation."

    Huh? As much as I hate the GB I can't imagine wanting them to be raped, even relishing it!

    What a sick post!

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    See pp/ 257-268.

    Watch reruns of Oz on HBO.

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