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    Comments You Will Not Hear at the 07-31-11 WT Study (MAY 15, 2011, pages 27-32)(TRUST/CONFIDENCE)

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    “Jehovah himself will hear when I call to him.”—PS. 4:3.


    Complete trust in God inspires confidence in the WTS/FDS/GB as the end is NEAR, CLOSE, RAPIDLY APPROACHING, VERY SOON, VERY SOON NOW, only 132 years since 1879, when the WTS starting saying the end was in 1914. But it is now 2011, 97 years since 1914 and Armageddon or the great tribulation is still only on the horizon. Have people lost confidence in God or the promises of the WTS? As more and more of those die from the generation living in 1975 when the end again did not come, the WTS promise of their surviving without dying into the new system is shown to be false.

    Even when the WTS/FDS/GB is right, they must be viewed as correct. Wait on God to reveal his truth…can’t trust imperfect humans, right?

    (if you can point me to recent info about obeying the GB even if perceived to be wrong, please post it on this thread)


    1, 2. (a) What perilous situation did David face?

    (b) We will discuss which psalms?

    KING DAVID has ruled Israel for some

    time, but he now faces a perilous situation.

    His scheming son Absalom has had

    himself declared king, and David has been

    forced to leave Jerusalem. He has also been

    betrayed by a confidant, and now, accompanied

    by a few loyal ones, he walks weeping

    and barefoot over the Mount of Olives.

    Moreover, Shimei, who belongs to a family

    in King Saul’s house, is throwing stones and

    dust at David while cursing him.—2 Sam. 15:

    30, 31; 16:5-14.


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    OT = David again (remember he SCHEMED to commit adultery with another man’s wife and then arranged for that man to be killed when it became evident that his sin would become public knowledge)

    David was betrayed by a confidant, but wasn’t David a friend to Uriah( one of his mighty men who has stayed loyal to David while Saul was seeking his death) while at the same time he was betraying him by taking his wife and then later have him killed?

    There are times I wonder if the national of Israel knew of David’s sins of adultery and murder. The WTS says that David was repentant, that there weren’t 2 witnesses to his adultery (what about the servants?) Certainly David was observed staying overnight with Bathsheba without a chaperone, right?

    Absalom’s full sister, Tamar, was raped by their half-brother Amnon. Was Amnon put to death, no, because she was not married or engaged. Could she be forced to marry him, no because it would be incest under the Law. So she had to live her life out as damaged goods. And what did David do? Would he have allowed Amnon to succeed him as the eldest son, the heir apparent, knowing that Amnon had raped his half-sister?

    *** it-1 pp. 32-33 Absalom***Hearing of his daughter’s humiliation, David reacted with great anger but, perhaps due to the fact that no direct or formal accusation was made with the support of evidence or witnesses, took no judicial action against the offender. (De 19:15) Absalom may have preferred not to have an issue made of Amnon’s violation of the Levitical law (Le 18:9; 20:17), to avoid unsavory publicity for his family and name, but he, nevertheless, nursed a murderous hatred for Amnon while outwardly controlling himself until the propitious moment for exacting vengeance in his own way. (Compare Pr 26:24-26; Le 19:17.) From this point forward his life is a study in perfidy, occupying the major part of six chapters of Second Samuel.—2 Sa 13:21, 22.

    (Comment: How is Absalom’s hatred of Amnon and putting him to death any different from David’s having Uriah put to death?

    *** it-1 p. 96 Amnon***Since Amnon, as David’s eldest son, was heir apparent to the throne, his death may also have been viewed as desirable by Absalom as a means to better his own possibilities of gaining the kingship. With this event the prophecy made by Nathan following David’s own misconduct with the wife of Uriah began to undergo fulfillment.—2Sa 12:10; see ABSALOM.

    (Comment: So why should Amnon and Absalom die for David’s sins? Could David’s lack of action regarding Tamar’s rape also be one explanation for why Absalom raped David’s concubines? Or felt he was not qualified to be king)

    2 Will this ordeal bring David down to

    Sheol in grief and disgrace? No, for he trusts

    in Jehovah. This is evident in the 3rd Psalm,

    composed by David regarding his flight. He

    also wrote the 4th Psalm. Both of these compositions

    express the conviction that God hears

    and answers prayers. (Ps. 3:4; 4:3)

    These psalms assure us that Jehovah is with

    his faithful servants day and night, blessing

    them with his support as well as peace and a

    sense of security. (Ps. 3:5; 4:8) Let us, therefore,

    consider these psalms and see how

    they inspire confidence and promote trust

    in God.


    HITS: trusts…confidence…trust

    Why would God listen to the prayers of an adulterer and a murderer, who only “confessed” when he was caught. Why didn’t David pray when seeing Bathsheba the first time?

    Is David the best or only example of faithfulness in the OT?

    Trust in God = Trust in the organization

    *** w03 9/1 p. 13 par. 2***In the preceding article, we learned that our trust in Jehovah is manifested when we turn to him in prayer, when we seek direction from his Word, and when we look to his organization for guidance.

    *** w57 5/1 p. 284 par. 14***Showing respect for Jehovah’s organization really resolves itself down to our attitude toward God’s visible channel and the trust that we place in our proved, faithful brothers. If we have become thoroughly convinced that this is Jehovah’s organization, that he is guiding and directing his people, then we shall not be unsettled by anything that happens. If something comes up that we do not understand we will wait patiently until it is made thoroughly clear to us. If we feel sure something is wrong we will ‘keep the commandment’ of our Father and take whatever theocratic steps are open to us and then wait on Jehovah. We will not ‘forsake our mother’s teaching’ by immediately beginning to criticize and find fault. We will realize that Jehovah knows what is going on in his organization, and if he is willing to permit it, who are we to insist it should be different? If we really have faith, we will know that if it is wrong he will straighten it out eventually, and we are far safer inside his organization even with these minor difficulties than we would be on the outside where only chaos and destruction await us.

    When ‘Many Rise Up Against Us’

    3. As shown at Psalm 3:1, 2, what was David’s situation?

    3 “The heart of the men of Israel has come

    to be behind Absalom,” says a messenger.

    (2 Sam. 15:13) Wondering how Absalom has

    been able to marshal such support, David

    asks: “O Jehovah, why have my adversaries

    become many? Why are many rising up

    against me? Many are saying of my soul:

    ‘There is no salvation for him by God.’ ”

    (Ps. 3:1, 2) Many Israelites think that Jehovah

    will not deliver David from calamity at the

    hands of Absalom and his cohorts.


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    Why were these behind Absalom? Did they know of David’s sins, murder and adultery? Were they aware of David’s lack of action to comfort and protect his daughter, Tamar? Allowing Amnon to live and continue as heir to the throne until Absalom had him killed? Yet David was willing to render evil to someone who caused him no evil, but of course, Uriah was not his son.

    *** it-1 p. 34 Absalom***David stands in sharp contrast to Absalom by his quiet submission and refusal to render evil for evil.

    (Comment: That’s right, David rendered evil for good in the case of Uriah.)

    4, 5. (a) David was sure of what? (b) What is the

    significance of the words “the One lifting up my


    4 But David is confident because he has

    implicit trust in God. He sings: “Yet you,

    O Jehovah, are a shield about me, my glory

    and the One lifting up my head.” (Ps. 3:3) David

    is sure that Jehovah will protect him just

    as a shield protects a soldier. Yes, the aging

    king is fleeing, his head covered and bent

    down in humiliation. But the Most High

    will change David’s condition to one of glory.

    Jehovah will enable him to stand erect, to

    raise his head and hold it high once again.

    David calls out with confidence that God

    will answer him. Do you display such trust

    in Jehovah?


    HITS: implicit trust…confidence…trust

    Did David have implicit trust in God and go to him and confess his adultery and arranging the murder of Uriah? Or did he cover up his sin of adultery with another of murder? After stealing Uriah’s wife, David steals Uriah’s life. But does David lose his life, no his family does, his concubines are raped, his young son dies, and later 70,000 people die for another sin of David’s (one he was warned by a trusted friend not to do).

    Did God push forward his “eternal purpose” regarding the Messiah by keeping David alive despite his sins worthy of execution, so that David could bring forth a “suitable” heir?

    So David expected God to protect him individually? Can jws today? No, only if his “purpose” is involved. So how important is any jw today?

    *** w08 9/15 p. 9 par. 8***As individuals, we know that our immediate physical protection is not guaranteed

    *** Close to Jehovah book (2002) chap. 7 p. 72 par. 12***Why did Jehovah protect certain individuals in such miraculous ways? In many cases Jehovah protected individuals in order to protect something far more important: the outworking of his purpose.

    5 By the words “the One lifting up my

    head,” David ascribes to Jehovah the help

    he expects to receive. Today’s English Version

    reads: “But you, O LORD, are always my

    shield from danger; you give me victory and

    restore my courage.” With regard to the expression

    “the One lifting up my head,” one

    reference work says: “When God lifts up . . .

    one’s ‘head,’ He fills one with hope and

    confidence.” Forced from Israel’s throne,

    David has reason to be despondent. However,

    ‘the lifting up of his head’ will result in

    renewed courage, confidence, and complete

    trust in God.


    HITS: confidence…complete trust

    Notice that the WTS chooses to quote from other Bibles. What would happen though if you chose to quote from a Bible other than the NWT? Be assured, an elder would be asking why you did so and might tell you that only the FDS is qualified to know which scriptures from other Bibles are accurate and quotable.

    “one reference work” – and what would that be? Who wrote it and when? Googling takes me to Vine’s Expository Dictionary. Why hide the reference, the WTS quotes from it fairly frequently to support their definitions of Bible words?

    ‘Jehovah Will Answer!’

    6. Why did David refer to having his prayer answered

    from Jehovah’s holy mountain?

    6 Trusting in Jehovah and filled with confidence,

    David continues: “With my voice I

    shall call to Jehovah himself, and he will answer

    me from his holy mountain.” (Ps. 3:4) In

    keeping with David’s orders, the ark of the

    covenant, symbolizing God’s presence, has

    been taken to Mount Zion. (Read 2 Samuel

    15:23-25.) Fittingly, then, David refers to

    having his prayer answered from Jehovah’s

    holy mountain.


    HITS: trusting…confidence

    What did happen when the ark of the covenant was transported to Mount Zion, ACCORDING TO DAVID’S ORDERS? What is done according to God’s orders? Who died because God’s orders were disobeyed?

    *** w03 5/1 pp. 10-1 par. 12***After the ark of the covenant had been returned to Israel and had been kept for many years at Kiriath-jearim, King David desired to transfer it to Jerusalem. He consulted with chiefs of the people and said that the Ark would be moved ‘if it seemed good to them and it was acceptable with Jehovah.’ But he neglected to search adequately to ascertain Jehovah’s will on the matter. If he had done so, the Ark would never have been loaded onto a wagon. It would have been carried by Kohathite Levites on their shoulders, as God had clearly instructed. Though David frequently inquired of Jehovah, he failed to do so in a proper way on this occasion. The result was disastrous. David later acknowledged: “Jehovah our God broke through against us, for we did not search after him according to the custom.”

    (Comment: But who died because of David’s orders? Uzzah not David)

    (2 Samuel 6:7) At that Jehovah’s anger blazed against Uzzah and the [true] God struck him down there for the irreverent act, so that he died there close by the ark of the [true] God.

    7. Why did David experience no dread?

    7 Certain that prayer to God will not be in

    vain, David experiences no dread. Instead,

    he sings: “As for me, I will lie down that I may

    sleep; I shall certainly awake, for Jehovah him-

    self keeps supporting me.” (Ps. 3:5) Even at

    night, when the danger of surprise attack is

    the greatest, David is not afraid to go to

    sleep. He is sure that he will awake, for his

    past experiences have made him absolutely

    confident that he can trust in God’s unfailing

    support. So can we if we adhere to “the

    ways of Jehovah” and never depart from

    him.—Read 2 Samuel 22:21, 22.


    HITS: confident

    So why was David so certain he would not die? All through his life others had died for his sins. He had God’s unfailing support because God had tied up his “purpose” on whether David lived or died.

    And you better hope that God performs some individual act to help you because you cannot depend on the congregation. First, they have determine that you are a member in good (and long) standing.


    Demonstrating a commendable pattern worthy of imitation. (Compare {good standing} .) Congregation members viewed as exemplary are so noted because of zealous activity in service, regularity at meetings, diligence in personal study, and being irreproachable in matters of personal conduct, appearance, speech, and attitude. Exemplary persons are always in good standing in the congregation, but the converse is not necessarily true. <<In the absence of an elder or ministerial servant, some responsibilities may be handled by another exemplary brother.>>

    8. How does Psalm 27:1-4 show that David trusted

    in God?

    8 David’s confidence and complete trust

    in God are evident in another of his psalms,

    one containing these inspired words: “Jehovah

    is my light and my salvation. Of whom

    shall I be in fear? Jehovah is the stronghold

    of my life. Of whom shall I be in dread? . . .

    Though against me an encampment should

    pitch tent, my heart will not fear. . . . One

    thing I have asked from Jehovah—it is what I

    shall look for, that I may dwell in the house

    of Jehovah all the days of my life, to behold

    the pleasantness of Jehovah and to look

    with appreciation upon his temple.” (Ps.

    27:1-4) If you share those sentiments and

    your circumstances permit, you will regularly

    meet with fellow worshippers of Jehovah.

    —Heb. 10:23-25.


    HITS: confidence…complete trust

    Notice that the words “confidence” and “trust” occur in just about every paragraph. What happens when you say a word over and over and over, it loses any meaning.

    David was able to ask things of God without going through a priest, a Levite, or an organization.

    Were Gentiles before Jesus able to pray to God without going through an organization?

    Circumstances permit = as judged so by the elders and other “mature” ones in the congregation. But then an example is given of someone else to shame people.

    *** w04 6/1 p. 19 par. 21***Our challenge as Christians, then, is to make the most of our situation—to have as full a share in Jehovah’s service as our circumstances permit. When we do that, we are giving glory to Jehovah, and we can be assured that he is well pleased. Consider Ethel, an elderly sister in a nursing home. She witnesses regularly to fellow residents in her home and engages in telephone witnessing. Despite her limitations, she is whole-souled in her service.

    *** w82 3/1 p. 25 par. 14***But even for those whose circumstances permit it, faith is required. A brother in Europe writes: “Many advised me not to become a pioneer, because that is for strong people. I am not physically strong, and, in fact, have a humped back. Still, I began and with the help of Jehovah I have been a pioneer for 30 years now.”

    Worshippers of Jehovah = only jws

    Even when he fled because of Absalom, David had confidence in Jehovah

    9, 10. Despite the words of Psalm 3:6, 7, why would

    you say that David did not have a vindictive spirit?

    9 Although David is faced with Absalom’s

    treachery and the disloyalty of so many others,

    he sings: “I shall not be afraid of ten

    thousands of people who have set themselves

    in array against me round about. Do arise,

    O Jehovah! Save me, O my God! For you will

    have to strike all my enemies on the jaw. The

    teeth of wicked ones you will have to break.”

    —Ps. 3:6, 7.


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    So is David asking God to kill his enemies? That’s not vindictive? David did not want to have Absalom killed, someone else did it for him, Joab, David’s nephew. David mourned for Absalom his son, his beautiful son he loved, but did he mourn in the same way for Uriah or Uzzah?

    What did Joab say though to his uncle, his king, God’s anointed?

    (2 Samuel 19:5-6) Finally Joab came in to the king at the house and said: “You have today put to shame the face of all your servants, the ones providing escape for your soul today and for the soul of your sons and your daughters and the soul of your wives and the soul of your concubines, by loving those hating you and by hating those loving you; for you have reported today that chiefs and servants are nothing to you, because I well know today that if only Absalom were alive and all of us others were today dead, why, in that case it would be right in your eyes.

    10 David does not have a vindictive spirit.

    If his enemies were to be ‘struck on the jaw,’

    God would do it. King David has written a

    personal copy of the Law and knows that in

    it Jehovah declares: “Vengeance is mine,

    and retribution.” (Deut. 17:14, 15, 18; 32:35)

    It is also up to God to ‘break the teeth of the

    wicked ones.’ Breaking their teeth means

    rendering them powerless to do harm. Jehovah

    knows who the wicked are because “he

    sees what the heart is.” (1 Sam. 16:7) How

    grateful we are that God gives us faith and

    strength to stand firm against the chief

    wicked one, Satan, who will soon be abyssed

    like a roaring but toothless lion fit only for

    destruction!—1 Pet. 5:8, 9; Rev. 20:1, 2, 7-10.


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    Note that David killed quite a few in his day in warfare; and killed the innocent like Uriah.

    Also Satan is only abyssed and allowed to continue existing for 1,000 more years, a total of 7,000 years per WTS chronology. Adam and Eve lived less than 1,000 years.

    “Salvation Belongs to Jehovah”

    11. Why should we pray for fellow believers?

    11 David realizes that Jehovah alone can

    bring about the deliverance that he so desperately

    needs. But the psalmist is not thinking

    only of himself. What about Jehovah’s

    favored people as a whole? Appropriately,

    David concludes his inspired composition

    with the words: “Salvation belongs to Jehovah.

    Your blessing is upon your people.” (Ps.

    3:8) True, David has monumental problems,

    but he bears in mind Jehovah’s people

    in general and is confident that God will

    bless them. Should we not also keep our fellow

    believers in mind? Let us remember

    them in our prayers, asking Jehovah to give

    them his holy spirit so that they can muster

    up courage and can act with confidence in

    declaring the good news.—Eph. 6:17-20.


    HITS: confident…confidence

    “favored” people = so God did not bless non-Israelites?

    David has “monumental” problems brought on himself, yet others suffered for his misdeeds.

    Fellow believers = only other jws = pray for them in their need by walk by them in their hunger and nakedness?

    In disasters, jws only are concerned about other jws, nameless though they may remain, and though these praying jws never donate a dime to help them materially.

    (James 2:15-16) If a brother or a sister is in a naked state and lacking the food sufficient for the day, yet a certain one of YOU says to them: “Go in peace, keep warm and well fed,” but YOU do not give them the necessities for [their] body, of what benefit is it?

    12, 13. What happened to Absalom, and how did

    David react?

    12 Absalom’s life ends ingloriously—a

    warning to all who would abuse others, especially

    God’s anointed ones, such as David.

    (Read Proverbs 3:31-35.) A battle takes

    place, and Absalom’s forces are defeated.

    Absalom himself is riding away on a mule

    when his luxuriant hair becomes enmeshed

    in the fork of a low branch of a large tree.

    There he hangs—alive but helpless—until

    Joab kills him by driving three shafts into

    his heart.—2 Sam. 18:6-17.


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    What does it mean to “abuse” the anointed? Who are the anointed per the WTS today? All living jws that have the hope of going to heaven, approximately 11,000 (and rising today) per the WTS.

    Did Joab abuse the anointed (David) with his statement above in paragraph 9? Did Paul “abuse” Peter when he reprimanded him publicly for shunning the Gentile Christians in the first century?

    (Galatians 2:11-14) 11 However, when Cephas came to Antioch, I resisted him face to face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before the arrival of certain men from James, he used to eat with people of the nations; but when they arrived, he went withdrawing and separating himself, in fear of those of the circumcised class. 13 The rest of the Jews also joined him in putting on this pretense, so that even Barnabas was led along with them in their pretense. 14 But when I saw they were not walking straight according to the truth of the good news, I said to Cephas before them all: “If you, though you are a Jew, live as the nations do, and not as Jews do, how is it that you are compelling people of the nations to live according to Jewish practice?”

    13 Does David rejoice when he learns

    what has befallen his son? No. Instead, he

    paces the floor, weeps, and cries out: “My

    son Absalom, my son, my son Absalom!

    O that I might have died, I myself, instead

    of you, Absalom my son, my son!”

    (2 Sam. 18:24-33) Only Joab’s words bring

    David out of his nearly overwhelming grief.

    What a tragic end for Absalom, whose blind

    ambition prompted him to fight against

    his own father—Jehovah’s anointed—and

    bring disaster upon himself!—2 Sam. 19:1-8;

    Prov. 12:21; 24:21, 22.


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    No, instead David admits he would rather that the rest of his family had died and that Absalom was still alive.

    I wonder if Absalom started on this road when his sister was raped by Amnon, the heir apparent, and David did nothing to help her? Perhaps Absalom felt that Amnon was not worthy to be king, seeing he was a rapist and had committed incest? Why did David bring disaster on himself alone because of his sins, rather than his children, Uriah, Uzzah, and later 70,000 Israelites?

    David Again Expresses Trust in God

    14. What can be said about the composition of

    Psalm 4?

    14 Like the 3rd Psalm, the 4th is an earnest

    prayer of David that gives evidence of his

    complete trust in Jehovah. (Ps. 3:4; 4:3) Perhaps

    David composed this song to express

    relief and gratitude to God after the failure

    of Absalom’s coup. Or it may have been

    written with Levite singers in mind. In either

    case, meditating on it can strengthen

    our trust in Jehovah.


    HITS: Complete trust…trust

    PERHAPS…MAY HAVE BEEN: So the holy spirit hasn’t revealed it to today’s anointed?

    15. Why can we confidently pray to Jehovah

    through his Son?

    15 David again manifests complete trust in

    God and displays confidence in the effectiveness

    of prayer. He sings: “When I call,

    answer me, O my righteous God. In the distress

    you must make broad space for me.

    Show me favor and hear my prayer.”

    (Ps. 4:1) We can have similar confidence if we

    practice righteousness. Aware that Jehovah,

    the “righteous God,” blesses his upright

    people, we can confidently pray to him

    through his Son with faith in Jesus’ ransom

    sacrifice. (John 3:16, 36) What peace this

    gives us!


    HITS: Complete trust…confidence…confidence…confidently

    Effectiveness of prayer?? Prayer in the WTS is open-ended.

    How many heard that silence or no seeming answer to a prayer means NO?

    16. Why may David have become discouraged?

    16 At times, we may face a discouraging

    situation that robs us of confidence. Temporarily,

    this may have been true of David, for

    he sings: “You sons of men, how long must

    my glory be for insult, while you keep loving

    empty things, while you keep seeking to find a

    lie?” (Ps. 4:2) The expression “sons of men”

    evidently refers to mankind in an unfavorable

    sense. David’s enemies ‘loved empty

    things.’ The New International Version offers

    this rendering: “How long will you love

    delusions and seek false gods?” Even if we

    become discouraged because of what others

    do, let us continue to pray earnestly and

    manifest complete trust in the only true



    HITS: complete trust

    May…have = so is the WTS he was never discouraged? Oh, only temporarily…how long is temporary in WTS world?

    EVIDENTLY = the WTS adding to the Bible

    Once again the WTS allows itself to quote from another Bible, NIV. What is wrong with the NWT?

    (Psalm 4:2) YOU sons of men, how long must my glory be for insult, [While] YOU keep loving empty things, [While] YOU keep seeking to find a lie? Selah.

    17. Explain how we might act in harmony with

    Psalm 4:3.

    17 David’s trust in God is clear from the

    words: “So take knowledge that Jehovah will

    certainly distinguish his loyal one; Jehovah

    himself will hear when I call to him.” (Ps. 4:3)

    Courage and complete trust in Jehovah are

    required in order to remain loyal to him. For

    instance, these qualities are needed by a

    Christian family when an unrepentant relative

    is disfellowshipped. God honors those

    loyal to him and his ways. In turn, loyalty

    and complete trust in Jehovah promote joy

    among his people.—Ps. 84:11,12.


    HITS: David’s trust, complete trust

    Christian family = only jws

    Unrepentant relative = only jw

    Absalom should have been executed under the Law but David would not do so; is David then a good example of how jws today should shun their jw family?

    How about the 4 elders I know that still associate with their df’d family under the guise of “necessary family matters”? When that was discussed in a recent WT, did you think the “offenders” were “weak” jws not the so-called giants in the congregation?

    July 15, 2011 Watchtower page 31

    14, 15. What is the real decision that parents of disfellowshipped

    children must make? Or will they rationalize that they can have regular

    association with their disfellowshipped son and call it “necessary family business”?

    In making their decision, they must not fail to consider how Jehovah feels about what they are doing. His purpose is to keep the organization clean and, if possible, to incite wrongdoers to come to their senses. How can Christian parents support that purpose?

    (where did this concept of “necessary family business” come from? Individual jws or the WTS?)

    *** w07 1/15 p. 20***While caring for necessary family matters may require some contact with the disfellowshipped person, a Christian parent should strive to avoid needless association.

    18. In harmony with Psalm 4:4, what should we do

    if we have been the object of unkind words or actions?

    18 What if someone says or does things

    that upset us? We can remain joyful if we do

    what David says: “Be agitated, but do not sin.

    Have your say in your heart, upon your bed,

    and keep silent.” (Ps. 4:4) If we have been the

    object of unkind words or actions, let us not

    sin by retaliating. (Rom. 12:17-19) We can

    have our say in our heart while in bed. If we

    pray about the matter, we may see it in a different

    light and be moved to forgive out of

    love. (1 Pet. 4:8) Noteworthy in this regard is

    the apostle Paul’s counsel, apparently based

    on Psalm 4:4: “Be wrathful, and yet do not

    sin; let the sun not set with you in a provoked

    state, neither allow place for the Devil.”—

    Eph. 4:26, 27.


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    Upset us?! How about those who molest our children, defraud us of our money, borrow our things and not return them or damage them and not replace them, who lie to others about our character or the character of our family, who convince others to shun us for things not mandated by the WTS or the Bible….add your own

    The idea is here not to gossip. Did you that elders on a judicial committee are not to share the details even with the other elders in the congregation, let alone elders in another congregation. Do you think leaving out the names will conceal the juicy story? Or the elder who tells his chatty wife who gets status from other sisters by revealing juicy details.

    How forgiving is the elder body toward each other or are they still arguing with each other over things that happened 20 years ago?

    APPARENTLY based on …did you know that the WTS uses these OT scriptures that APPARENTLY are used in NT scriptures to justify putting “Jehovah” in an NT manuscript where it does not appear?

    Did Paul pray to see Peter’s shunning of Gentile Christians in a different light?

    19. How can Psalm 4:5 help us with regard to our

    spiritual sacrifices?

    19 Stressing the need for trusting in God,

    David sings: “Sacrifice the sacrifices of

    righteousness, and trust in Jehovah.” (Ps. 4:5)

    Sacrifices offered by the Israelites had value

    only if the people had proper motives. (Isa.

    1:11-17) For our spiritual sacrifices to be acceptable

    to God, we too must have proper motives and must

    trust in him completely.—Read Proverbs 3:5, 6;

    Hebrews 13:15, 16.


    HITS: trusting in God…trust in Jehovah…trust in him

    Proper motives (2) = so God may able to do this since he can read hearts and minds; Jesus may have, but do humans today, even the anointed humans in the WTS?

    *** w05 6/1 p. 18 par. 16***Since no human can accurately know the motives of others, however, we must beware of judging others. “Who are you to judge the house servant of another?” we are asked, with the obvious answer: “To his own master he stands or falls.” (Romans 14:4)

    20. What is signified by ‘the light of Jehovah’s


    20 David continues: “There are many saying:

    ‘Who will show us good?’ Lift up the light

    of your face upon us, O Jehovah.” (Ps. 4:6)

    ‘The light of Jehovah’s face’ signifies divine

    favor. (Ps. 89:15) So when David prays: “Lift

    up the light of your face upon us,” he means

    ‘show us favor.’ Because we trust in Jehovah,

    we have his favor and great joy as we confidently

    do his will.


    HITS: trust…confidently

    Only jws have God’s favor per the WTS; salvation is only found in the WTS organization.

    21. Of what are we assured if we have a full share in

    today’s spiritual harvest work?

    21 Looking forward to God-given

    joys that surpass those of harvesttime,

    David sings to Jehovah: “You

    will certainly give a rejoicing in my

    heart greater than in the time when

    their grain and their new wine have

    abounded.” (Ps. 4:7) We can be certain

    of experiencing heartfelt joy if

    we have a full share in today’s spiritual

    harvest work. (Luke 10:2) With the

    ‘populous nation’ of anointed ones

    Taking the lead, we now rejoice as the

    number of ‘harvest workers’ keeps

    growing. (Isa. 9:3) Are you having a

    truly satisfying part in this joyful harvest?


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    What does the WTS mean by “full share”? 15 minutes, 1 hour, 10, 30, 50, 70, 75, 90, 100, 120, 130, 140 hours, all monthly goals determined by others to be the “full share” of other jws. Can you find a number associated with “full share” in the Bible? Except for a general counting of those baptized at two occasions, where in the Bible are Christians told to turn in a monthly report slip?

    Does that mean judging others motives and circumstances or looking into your own heart? Do you know jws that are happy to judge you and your circumstances and tell you what is in your heart?

    Taking the lead = yet the WTS says there are no leaders in their organization.

    Confidently Press On With Complete Trust in God

    22. In keeping with Psalm 4:8, how did the Israelites

    fare when they kept God’s Law?

    22 David concludes this psalm with

    the words: “In peace I will both lie

    down and sleep, for you yourself alone,

    O Jehovah, make me dwell in security.”

    (Ps. 4:8) When the Israelites kept Jehovah’s

    Law, they were at peace with him and

    felt secure. For instance, ‘Judah and

    Israel dwelt in security’ during Solomon’s

    reign. (1 Ki. 4:25) Those trusting in God enjoyed

    peace even when neighboring nations

    were hostile. Like David, we sleep peacefully

    because God makes us feel secure.


    HITS: confidently…trust…trusting

    What laws are Christians expected to keep today? Would it not be those things taught and commanded by Christ? So where did Jesus ask his disciples to turn in a time slip, to refrain from wearing a beard (remember beards were common in Roman times just not for Jews), that there would be 5 meetings a week? Where it is not specifically stated the WTS/FDS/GB just cites Matthew 24:45-47 as the scriptural proof…which is all encompassing of everything we do as they take the place of Christ on earth.

    23. What will we experience if we have complete

    trust in God?

    23 Let us confidently press on in Jehovah’s

    service. May we also pray in faith and thus

    experience “the peace of God that excels all

    thought.” (Phil. 4:6, 7) What joy that brings

    us! And we can surely face the future with

    confidence if we maintain complete trust in



    HITS:confidently…confidence…complete trust

    Face the future…the destruction of all 7 billion plus men, women, children born and in the womb, forever and ever, no hope of any future life because they were born at the wrong time.

    How Would You Respond?

    HITS: confidence…trust…trust

    What problems did David face because of Absalom?

    How does Psalm 3 inspire confidence?

    In what ways can Psalm 4 strengthen our trust in Jehovah?

    How can we benefit from complete trust in God?


    Next week, THERE IS GOOD NEWS THAT ALL NEED. Would that be the good news that jws look forward to, the eternal destruction of all non-jws, men, women, and children off the face of the earth?

    Love, Blondie

  • OnTheWayOut

    Thanks for posting the Insight book information about Absalom and Amnon, how there wasn't enough evidence for judicial actions.

    From paragraphs 1 and 2, apparently it was more important to preserve the royal "organization" and not make an issue of Amnon's raping his half-sister than it was for justice to be achieved. That teaches us that WTS has precedence when they ignore the victims and focus on hushing up incidences of abuse.

  • BluesBrother

    Par 17 refers to "Loyalty, courage and trust", which are fine qualities. But where does such loyalty properly lie?

    Is it in the decision of three men who make up a J.Committee? (even the WT accepts that they could be wrong) or loyalty to your loved one who has been perhaps unfairly (or just harshly) treated?

    Where should loyalty properly lie. The WTS tells families to back the elders no matter what. I suppose it has to or the system would collapse. I contend that a loving and courageous wife or parent would see the need to be loyal to the person IF they wanted to in their heart.

    I know that you can always find a scripture to prove your point, but this one came to mind.

    Prov. 7 .17 NWT

    17" A true companion is loving all the time, and is a brother that is born for when there is distress."

  • Pams girl
    Pams girl

    Thanks Blondie, youre such an asset to this forum

  • ziddina

    Yayy!! Blondie did it again!!

    Thanks, Blondie!!

  • blondie

    Thanks everyone. I guess I have trained people for this to be late or not at all.

    Yes, Absalom probably trusted in God to vindicate his sister and found he had no reason to trust or have confidence in God. But she was only a woman, right?

    And Amnon deserved what he got. And somehow David came out scot free, dying an old man with a young wife to keep him warm.

  • ziddina

    I should go back and read the actual bible account of Ammon, Absalom and Tamar, but I strongly suspect that the violence that erupted over that incident had more to do with kingly succession than avenging the rape of Absalom's sister.

    For some reason, I see parallels with the English royalty shortly after King Henry the Eighth's death - especially when Queen Elizabeth came to the throne. If I remember correctly, Lady Jane Grey was beheaded because of her marriage to the "wrong" man - her lineage which made her a potential heir to the British throne became a platform for her new husband to challenge the rule of Elizabeth.

    That situation with Ammon and Absalom smacks of political intrigue and behind-the-scenes maneuvering which is NOT explained in the bible.

  • The Quiet One
    The Quiet One

    Blondie- This is the best I could find for now: “If we do not see a point at first we should keep trying to grasp it,rather than opposing and rejecting it and presumptuously taking the position that we are more likely to be right than the discreet slave.” - The Watchtower February 1, 1952 P 79-80 “We should eat and digest and assimilate what is set before us, without shying away from parts of the food because it may not suit the fancy of our mental taste.We should meekly go along with the Lord's theocratic organization and wait for further clarification, rather than balk at the first mention of a thought unpalatable to us and proceed to quibble and mouth our criticisms and opinions as though they were worth more than the slave's provision of spiritual food. Theocratic ones will appreciate the Lord's visible organization and not be so foolish as to put against Jehovah's channel their own human reasoning and sentiment and personal feelings,"- Watchtower Feb. 1, 1952, p. 79-8 “If some tinge of doubt about Jehovah[‘s] organization has begun to linger in your heart, act quickly to rout out of the mind any tendency to complain, to be dissatisfied with the way things are done in the congregation. Cut off anything that feeds such doubts." - The Watchtower 2/1/96 “Rather than being critical, let us maintain a spiritually healthy view of the information received through personal study and congregation meetings”. - The Watchtower September 15, 2002 P 16-18 “Strong faith, in turn, fortifies us to obey Jehovah, even when his requirements seem to go contrary to human reasoning”. The Watchtower October 1, 2002 P 16

  • JW GoneBad
    JW GoneBad

    (if you can point me to recent info about obeying the GB even if perceived to be wrong, please post it on this thread)

    I'll be on the look out for some quotes, for sure!

  • Crisis of Conscience

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