by Philadelphia Ponos 97 Replies latest jw friends
PP
'Can't someone believe God created the earth and actively search and study how it was done?'
Been done, and explained. Those cosmos programs have explained in fairly good detail how the earth came to be. God didn't do it. They were all natural forces that did it. The elements and dirt and everything that makes up the earth was made in the hearts of stars.
S
Ak-Jeff God wasn't created. God isn't subject to the laws of time that we're subject to. Similar to how a person (hypothetically) living on the moon isn't subject to the laws of physics on planet earth.
You claim to KNOW things it is impossible for anyone to know (the state and laws of physics pre big-bang, the nature of unobserved fantasy beings), and based on that ungrounded information you proceed to engage in special pleading for your own case (no no.. that same logic doesn't apply to god. Gods aren't subject to laws, reason, or evidence. Gods are special!).
It's simply impossible.
Then by your own logic, it is impossible for god to exist. Special pleading is for people who CAN NOT make a logical case without cheating. If you want to go play in the realm of make-believe.. go for it. If you want to play in the realm of logic, put your big boy pants on and face the glaring logical hole in your argument. You're not going to convince anyone to put their "stupid hats" on and accecpt "Side A is required to provide a logical argument, but Side B excused themselves from it. That's amazing! I'm going to pick side B!!"
Something had to either come from nothing, or have always existed - or there would be nothing. So clearly, it DID happen.
As regards to what that "something" most likely is - The universe can be demonstrated to exist, and is the simpler of the two explainations. The same cannot be said for god.
- Lime
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Wait.. Where did THOSE come from? Were they created? Did they poof into existance from nothing?
Or were they here all along?
- Lime
In order for thingness to exist, there must be no thingness to give it life....just as there must be darkness first to give light a meaning and existence.
The problem here is not in its complication, but rather the udder simplicity.
In order for thingness to exist, there must be no thingness to give it life....just as there must be darkness first to give light a meaning and existence.
Certainly you need to create an expanse between the "waters above" and the "waters below" before giving life to the nothingness. That's how I would do it.
- Lime
If God can create light on the first day and then LATER creates the sun & stars certainly it must be powerful enough to come from nothing.
Further to jt. Nothing balances something.
'In the first few moments of the Universe, enormous amounts of both matter and antimatter were created, and then moments later combined and annihilated generating the energy that drove the expansion of the Universe. But for some reason, there was an infinitesimal amount more matter than anti matter. Everything that we see today was that tiny fraction of matter that remained.' http://www.universetoday.com/13377/why-theres-more-matter-than-antimatter-in-the-universe/
That could tell a person something about what preexisted the bigbang. Why is so much opposites created? The material universe is a very small fraction, a small remainder of what was, at first.
S
"Certainly you need to create an expanse between the "waters above" and the "waters below" before giving life to the nothingness. That's how I would do it.
- Lime"
Think outside the box: All that we perceive as material reality, must have a "screen" of immaterial on which to project. Without zero, numbers have no real meaning.
I believe there is no such thing as NOTHING.
Syl
