Atlas Shrugged Part 1

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  • bohm
    bohm

    Terry, "What has given Atlas Shrugged bestseller status year after year and decade after decade is her chillingly accurate description of what happens when Liberal/Socialist philosophy is followed ECONOMICALLY. "

    meanwhile...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_liberalism

    Economic liberalism is the economic component of classical liberalism. [ 1 ] It is one the the main components of the ideology of capitalism. It is an economic philosophy that supports and promotes laissez-faire economics and private property in the means of production. Proponents of economic liberalism believe political freedom and social freedom are inseparable with economic freedom, and use philosophical arguments promoting liberty to justify economic liberalism and the free market. Although economic liberalism can be supportive of government regulation to a certain degree, it tends to oppose government intervention in the free market when it inhibits free trade and open competition. Economic liberalism opposes economic planning as an alternative to the market mechanism. Economic liberalism contrasts with mercantilism, state capitalism, socialism, market socialism, [ 2 ] and fascist economics (Third-way Corporatism). [ 3 ]

    the parties over here who are not aligned with the left are called "liberal".

  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    I've never read the books and only have read "about" Rand, both pro and con.

    If I get a chance, I'll see the film and give my relatively unbiased appraisal here. Don't wait up, though. Little chance it will show in these parts.

  • Mr. Falcon
    Mr. Falcon

    Terry, I liked the book but I'm not sure if I'll see the movie. I read everywhere that it sucked, but like you, I don't like letting critics make up my mind for me. However, I personally feel that they could have done a better job casting this movie. Atlas Shrugged, regardless of whether a person loved it or hated it, is a difficult project to convert to a movie. It has to be done all or nothing. Use the best actors, best producers and best directors or don't even bother. That's how Dagney would've wanted it.

  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    Political terminology as used in the USA is quite a bit different from elsewhere in the world, and MUCH more polarized/polarizing. In addition, most Americans have very little geographic education. Therefore I find most international discussions end up semantic arguments.

  • Mr. Falcon
    Mr. Falcon

    In addition, most Americans have very little geographic education.

    How dare you Sweeney! What makes you think that? I'm smart! I can read a map! See?....

  • Terry
    Terry

    I tried reading Atlas Shrugged and just couldn't get into it.

    I thought to myself, "I could read Watchtower writing and get through at one time, how come I can't get very far in Atlas Shrugged?"

    So, I got myself the book on tape and listened to somebody reading the book to me over several days driving to and from work.

    Previously I had read and enjoyed THE FOUNTAINHEAD. Characters didn't talk like real people most of the time and it was preachy, but, I liked aspects of Howard Roarke's character.

    Atlas Shrugged, on the other hand, was more like one of those Simon Legree vs Little Nell vaudeville performances.

    I clearly realize this book is not customary storytelling; it is a densely packed statement of philosophy in all of its moral implications stuffed into

    story form with larger than life characters in a science fiction setting.

    Not my cup of tea. When we finally meet the mysterious John Galt on the radio broadcast we are treated to a monologue of gargantuan proportions!

    It took Rand 5 years to write this speech and to make it as precise as humanly possible.

    Unfortunately, it also takes 5 years to get through it.

    The philosophy itself is pure genius, but, the presentation leaves (in my opinion) a lot to be desired. That's just me, though. Thousands of other people have embraced the book with enormous affection. I couldn't get through Lord of the Rings either. So, now you know where I am in this :)

    If you are curious; here is a condensed version of this electrifying speech:

    What follows is John Galt's speech from that script, condensed to under 1000 words. Used with permission:

    For twelve years you've been asking "Who is John Galt?" This is John Galt speaking. I'm the man who's taken away your victims and thus destroyed your world. You've heard it said that this is an age of moral crisis and that Man's sins are destroying the world. But your chief virtue has been sacrifice, and you've demanded more sacrifices at every disaster. You've sacrificed justice to mercy and happiness to duty. So why should you be afraid of the world around you?

    Your world is only the product of your sacrifices. While you were dragging the men who made your happiness possible to your sacrificial altars, I beat you to it. I reached them first and told them about the game you were playing and where it would take them. I explained the consequences of your 'brother-love' morality, which they had been too innocently generous to understand. You won't find them now, when you need them more than ever.

    We're on strike against your creed of unearned rewards and unrewarded duties. If you want to know how I made them quit, I told them exactly what I'm telling you tonight. I taught them the morality of Reason -- that it was right to pursue one's own happiness as one's principal goal in life. I don't consider the pleasure of others my goal in life, nor do I consider my pleasure the goal of anyone else's life.

    I am a trader. I earn what I get in trade for what I produce. I ask for nothing more or nothing less than what I earn. That is justice. I don't force anyone to trade with me; I only trade for mutual benefit. Force is the great evil that has no place in a rational world. One may never force another human to act against his/her judgment. If you deny a man's right to Reason, you must also deny your right to your own judgment. Yet you have allowed your world to be run by means of force, by men who claim that fear and joy are equal incentives, but that fear and force are more practical.

    You've allowed such men to occupy positions of power in your world by preaching that all men are evil from the moment they're born. When men believe this, they see nothing wrong in acting in any way they please. The name of this absurdity is 'original sin'. That's impossible. That which is outside the possibility of choice is also outside the province of morality. To call sin that which is outside man's choice is a mockery of justice. To say that men are born with a free will but with a tendency toward evil is ridiculous. If the tendency is one of choice, it doesn't come at birth. If it is not a tendency of choice, then man's will is not free.

    And then there's your 'brother-love' morality. Why is it moral to serve others, but not yourself? If enjoyment is a value, why is it moral when experienced by others, but not by you? Why is it immoral to produce something of value and keep it for yourself, when it is moral for others who haven't earned it to accept it? If it's virtuous to give, isn't it then selfish to take?

    Your acceptance of the code of selflessness has made you fear the man who has a dollar less than you because it makes you feel that that dollar is rightfully his. You hate the man with a dollar more than you because the dollar he's keeping is rightfully yours. Your code has made it impossible to know when to give and when to grab.

    You know that you can't give away everything and starve yourself. You've forced yourselves to live with undeserved, irrational guilt. Is it ever proper to help another man? No, if he demands it as his right or as a duty that you owe him. Yes, if it's your own free choice based on your judgment of the value of that person and his struggle. This country wasn't built by men who sought handouts. In its brilliant youth, this country showed the rest of the world what greatness was possible to Man and what happiness is possible on Earth.

    Then it began apologizing for its greatness and began giving away its wealth, feeling guilty for having produced more than its neighbors. Twelve years ago, I saw what was wrong with the world and where the battle for Life had to be fought. I saw that the enemy was an inverted morality and that my acceptance of that morality was its only power. I was the first of the men who refused to give up the pursuit of his own happiness in order to serve others.

    To those of you who retain some remnant of dignity and the will to live your lives for yourselves, you have the chance to make the same choice. Examine your values and understand that you must choose one side or the other. Any compromise between good and evil only hurts the good and helps the evil.

    If you've understood what I've said, stop supporting your destroyers. Don't accept their philosophy. Your destroyers hold you by means of your endurance, your generosity, your innocence, and your love. Don't exhaust yourself to help build the kind of world that you see around you now. In the name of the best within you, don't sacrifice the world to those who will take away your happiness for it.

    The world will change when you are ready to pronounce this oath:
    I swear by my Life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for the sake of mine.

  • Berengaria
    Berengaria

    What has given Lord of the Rings bestseller status year after year and decade after decade is the chillingly accurate description of what happens when a ragtag band of Elves, Dwarfs and Hobbits set out to destroy an evil Overlord.

  • Curtains
    Curtains

    sounds quite nietzschean but I don't like the uncompromisingness of John Galt's speech. Mind you I think a book like this is a good antidote to uncompromising religion if one stays alert to not going the other way. I like some of the philosophy Ayn Rand puts in John Galt's mouth

  • Curtains
    Curtains

    thank you berengaria

    What has given Lord of the Rings bestseller status year after year and decade after decade is the chillingly accurate description of what happens when a ragtag band of Elves, Dwarfs and Hobbits set out to destroy an evil Overlord.

    putting it on my list of holiday reads
  • agonus
    agonus

    "Who Is Ray Franz?" ;)

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