by Scooby-Doo 45 Replies latest watchtower bible
But was it his fault? He only informed Eve of what she had to gain from eating the fruit. She made her own decision, as did Adam.
It was deceptive of him. It was also him taking advantage of two who would be much less experienced than him... perhaps having never heard deception before.
But you are right. She did make her own decision, as did Adam.
Tammy
In a way, i suppose, it could be said that Eve was never really 'born' until she exercised her right to free will.
I meant to comment on this, and forgot. Eve could have exercised her free will right then and there to listen to God. Free will is not only exercised by going against what you have been told. It is also the choice to follow what you have been told.
The good decisions we make are made from our own free will also.
So perhaps that was one of the first actual tests of free will. I don't mean a planned test, but rather the first opportunity to use free will to make a good decision or a bad one.
Tammy
"Disregarding the introductory line about the serpent being crafty, then yes, it could mean that."
But God, Satan and Eve never wrote that line about him being crafty.
So the author (who wrote Genesis again? Moses?) has no right to imply that he is skilled in the art of deception. From what i understand he led an uprising against God. He didn't lie to the angels that joined his cause, they agreed with what he stood for.
Where is the evidence that Satan lied before the temptation of Eve? Because without that, the line about him being crafty cannot be valid.
EDIT: I'm passed by posting limit for today, but you're 100% right about how Eve resisting the temptation would also mean that she'd be exercising her free will.
I don't think anyone knows who wrote Genesis. There are only thoughts and opinions on the matter.
God, Satan, Eve never wrote anything in that story - unless it was inspired by God. So the author either wrote what he was told, allowed his personal interpretation to color the story, or the story was told to make a moral point - being literal or figurative doesn't always matter in making a moral point.
All three are valid points to consider, and the story itself leaves out a lot of detail, making speculation abound. Sometimes I wonder if the Adam/Eve/Serpent story is one of the most widely discussed and debated stories of the bible, lol.
Because without that, the line about him being crafty cannot be valid.
Not necessarily. Not if by the time the story was granted, told, or written down (depending on your consideration), Satan was already known for being crafty.
Tammy
Sorry you're past your posting limit. I'll keep an eye out for this thread tomorrow. Soon enough you won't have to worry about a limit at all. I remember how happy I was when I went from ten a day, to a hundred a day. I think I exercised that freedom by posting a whole bunch of little comments everywhere.
:)
Tammy
What I dont get is that Adam and Eve hid from God because they were ashamed. That shows a contrite heart right there. That they were sorry for what they did. If they were SUCH hardened sinners then they would've given God the finger right there. IF they were true rebels etc. IF they were true rebels they would never have taught their children about God. But yet they did. They molded Abel to be a great servant of God. Does that sound like someone who chafed under God's rule?
Never has so much been extracted from so little!
Talking animals? Hmmmmm....
This couldn't possibly be one of Rudyard Kipling's JUST SO stories.....could it?
I mean....really people! A TALKING SERPENT?
Maybe.....just maybe this is why women are so easy to dominate in this religion. Their intelligence has been damped down to blindly accepting nonsense as irrefutable FACT.
REALLY??
Just ask yourself one tiny little rational question. (It won't make you a bad person to do so.)
WHAT IF this is just a very old attempt to explain all the problems in the world while blaming women for it at the same time?
I'm just saying.....WHAT IF.....
There are women with twice the intelligence of any man in Kingdom halls all over the world who can't get up and give an hour talk or conduct a Watchtower study or sit in on a Judicial committee JUST BECAUSE this character EVE listened to and was fooled by a TALKING SNAKE.!!
And you BUY THIS????
You've obiviousl never seen the video of the singing penis.
Bravo, Prodigal!!! This has been my contention from reading many of the oder texts. If jesus existed he was NOT refering to Jehovah as his father. Remember when he also said that his father does not want sacrifice, but mercy? How about when "Satan" tempts Jesus with all the kingdoms of the Earth? Yet Cyrus the Perisan indicates that ALL the kingdoms of the Earth belong to Jehovah and to whom he wants he gives them. Hmmmm... Notice how Jesus NEVER uses YHWH as a reference to his Father in the NT? So WHO was the Jews REALLy worshipping? Enki or Enlil (Satan or Jehovah)??? It becomes obvious when you read the texts...
For the creation account you need to read the older Sumer texts. Funny how the "serpent" is the DNA helix strand, the serpent in the OT is the chief symbol of Enki (Satan), Enlil (YHWH) is the "bull god" over agriculture, when you start putting two and two together it makes sense. Knowledge is the fruit... freedom from slave labor and the "gods".
