Does anyone high up in the organization KNOW they use mind control techniques or is it just ingrained

by Mad Sweeney 27 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • thetrueone
    thetrueone

    To control people is power inducing built up in the psychology of these cult leaders, thats why there are

    so many of these organizations operating today. Power is alluring and is prospering high

    particularly when then known power of these men involves controlling millions is at stake and attainable.

    "[Humility] will keep us from the vanity of our abilities and attractions and protect us against the damaging,

    ego-inflating effects of higher learning, a collegiate education, a diploma or an honorary degree."

    That statement by F. Franz indicates the organizations deliberate intention to keep people pliably ignorant

    and under their (His) control.

    Higher education is always perceived to be a threating outside element of these controlling

    cults, for they themselves want to be the information givers and controllers of what information is being

    introduced to their adherents .

  • ProdigalSon
    ProdigalSon

    Dear MeanMrMustard,

    C'mon dude, use your search engines....

    Yahoo, Google, etc.....

    "Thoughts are Energy"

    "Emotions are Energy"

    There's lots of good stuff out there....

    Even Einstein was into this.....

    Everything is energy....In your Bible as The LOGOS!

  • Witness My Fury
    Witness My Fury

    I reckon it reached critical mass a long time ago and is just self sustaining, self deluding.

    Guilt and fear works, so why change it? They may moderate it slightly now and again but it still swings within the guilt / fear zone. Love is proclaimed but it's not there.

  • blondie
    blondie

    I understand there are several jw lawyers on staff--called "Legal" and seen as a competing force with the "service desk." A good lawyer would have the qualifications and training to use "mind control."

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow

    Think about it: "How can we get these millions to comply with this?" They use psychology. It's obvious, especially in view of the micromanagement to the point of worrying a person about even thinking the word luck.

  • PublishingCult
    PublishingCult

    I'm just not convinced that all of the mind control tactics employed by the WTBTS is just blind chance. I would hesitate to dismiss the entire thing and the results they get to just some ignorant old men stumbling sideways into controlling and growing an organization 7.2 million members strong.

    Some things are by design.

    Some heads of corporations and of state are merely front men, puppets, and somebody higher up, smarter, more powerful, is pulling the strings.

  • dgp
    dgp

    My humble opinion is that sure as hell they know what they are doing.

    They start out as rank-and-file believers, and climb the ladder all the way to the top. I cannot believe none of them ever had any doubts, was never told to wait and Jehovah, and, later in life, didn't come to have his doubts removed on seeing what really happens when you lead the organization. Especially how things are made at the top. I cannot believe they do not realize that it's not God almighty that tells them what to do. From Crisis of Conscience I understand that their decisions are made by a majority of two thirds. Are they to believe that YHWH inspired one third of them to vote in one sense, and the other two thirds on the other? What happens when no majority is achieved?

    Ray Franz did realize how things were done and his conscience didn't let him be part of that world. How come the rest haven't had that integrity? Because they don't have it, not because they don't realize how things are made.

    Can anyone believe that Stalin didn't know what he was doing? That he really believed the proletarians ruled Russia?

    I read somewhere that Joseph Goebbels joined the Nazi party because he was fully and instinctively aware that it was an organization where he fitted. I understand Goebbels hesitated between joining the Communist Party or the Nazi Party. It's forgotten, but "nazi" is "national socialist". Those were very similar organizations and Goebbels knew. He climbed to the top. My speculation, then, is that the good guys are wiped out of the organization early on. So are the ineffectual. An occasional good soul can survive, for different reasons, but as a whole, the higher up you go, the worse the bastards. If there are things you won't do, then you won't move up. Simple. If you have reservations about disfellowshipping someone, you won't make it to elder.

    I hope I won't offend anyone with this new paragraph. My point is to reflect about the topic of this thread. When I was being lured into the organization, the person who was doing it had sized me up and was pulling certain strings that she thought would lure me in. I wanted friendship, and she offered me seven million friends. Did she know I would be asked to leave my family, maybe leave my job, et cetera, if I had joined? Yes, she did. She also knew I loved her and that would give me a strong reason to join. Maybe she thought some things wouldn't be that good but YHWH would straighten things in the New System. Anyways, my point is, SHE KNEW SHE WAS CONTROLLING ME. She would mislead me or hide information. Very quickly, before my realizing of it, I already had a copy of "What does the Bible really teach?", a Bible, and a Watchtower. I already had an "elder friend" who would show me the ropes. He knew where I lived, what my phone number was, what I did for a living, et cetera. I had seen him ONCE. I happened to know that there was a study edition of the Watchtower, and so she wasted no time and got me study editions only. Did she know what she was doing? Yes.

    The drills on how to speak to people, what to say, how to direct the conversation, how to dress, et cetera, are all the brainchildren of a mind who was very intent on bringing people in. Disfellowshipment is the brainchild of a mind that blackmails people into staying once they baptized. Does this happen by chance?

    Would you expect the Governing Body not to know what they are doing? My opinion is that they are fully aware of what they do and why. We like to think of them as dunderheads, but perhaps we should recognize that they are anything but. They are very wicked, and that's a different thing.

  • rebel8
    rebel8

    Yes to the OP--not only the higher ups but the lower ones too.

    Taking into account that I live in jw fundieland, where the extreme fundamentalist jws live....

    They would always say "inculcate minds with the truth...."

    We were commanded to be thinking about the croup truth at every waking moment. We were supposed to either be thinking about it or talking about it at all times. That is the only way to keep Satan out of our minds. We were supposed to silently pray so many times per day that we lost count.

    And how about those weird quotes from the litterature? I seem to remember a girl saying something like, 'yep, i cleanse my mind with truths from jehoopla's organization, so yeah, i am brainwashed! ha ha" Creepy if you ask me.

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