Evolution vs. Watchtower Society

by FrankWTower 15 Replies latest jw experiences

  • FrankWTower
    FrankWTower

    A few months ago I had a part in the service meeting about evolution. It was based on the reasoning book's entire section on the topic. My conscience bothered me because it was the scientific method and science in general that led me to doubt my beliefs in the first place. The reasoning book was published sometime in the 80's so the references it made were from 1980-1982. It made several quotes (quote mining) and references to research done around and prior to this time period. One of the things that was on my mind constantly was how the WTS is able to argue against science using thirty year-old references and no one notices, but if I tried to do the same agains the Watchtower, everyone would be against me in an instant. Any critical thinking would be squashed by the elders.

    Thirty years is a long time scientifically. There has been so much knowledge gained in the last thirty years, much of which has been beneficial to humanity. The WT on the other hand, has done little to nothing in that time to improve the world.

  • wobble
    wobble

    If that had been me doing that item in the period just before I left, I would without doubt have been subversive, i would have pointed out how old the quotes were, and introduced alot of stuff that would have made the audience think.

    I was quite good at that, I got a whole thing in about the WT belonging to the U.N as a NGO by making it sound as though they were so good to resign when they learned it troubled the bros. and they only joined for research, but I was asked a lot of questions afterward.

    I admit ,that at that point I did not care if they threw me out, and a few weeks after I walked away anyway, but with a bit of ingenuity you can introduce subversive stuff in a way that they cannot do anything about, the truth prevails.

  • wobble
    wobble

    If that had been me doing that item in the period just before I left, I would without doubt have been subversive, i would have pointed out how old the quotes were, and introduced alot of stuff that would have made the audience think.

    I was quite good at that, I got a whole thing in about the WT belonging to the U.N as a NGO by making it sound as though they were so good to resign when they learned it troubled the bros. and they only joined for research, but I was asked a lot of questions afterward.

    I admit ,that at that point I did not care if they threw me out, and a few weeks after I walked away anyway, but with a bit of ingenuity you can introduce subversive stuff in a way that they cannot do anything about, the truth prevails.

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    FrankWTower, the WTS can never change their stance on evolution; their ideological narrative is too intricately entwined with Genesis-as-literal-history creationism.

    I grasped this as a JW teen while studing the Creation book at the BS for the first time; concrete, smoking gun evidence of evolution that even JWs couldn't refute would (like full disclosure of intelligent ET life) deal a mortal blow to the WTS, and pretty much all other fundamentalist religions, too.

  • Nickolas
    Nickolas

    It is impossible to exaggerate the magnitude of the problem that Darwin and Wallace solved. I could mention the anatomy, cellular structure, biochemistry and behaviour of literally any living organism by example. But the most striking feats of apparent design are those picked out - for obvious reasons - by creationist authors, and it is with gentle irony that I derive mine from a creationist book. Life - How Did It Get Here?, with no named author but published by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society in sixteen languages and eleven million copies, is obviously a firm favourite because no fewer than six of those eleven million copies have been sent to me as unsolicited gifts by well-wishers from around the world.

    Picking a page at random from this anonymous and lavishly distributed work, we find the sponge known as Venus' Flower Basket (Euplectella), accompanied by a quotation from Sir David Attenborough, no less: 'When you look at a complex sponge skeleton such as that made of silica spicules which is known as Venus' Flower Basket, the imagination is baffled. How could quasi-independent microscopic cells collaborate to secrete a million glassy splinters and construct such an intricate and beautiful lattice? We do not know.' The Watchtower authors lose no time in adding their own punchline: 'But one thing we do know: Chance is not the likely designer.' No indeed, chance is not the likely designer. That is one thing on which we can all agree. The statistical improbability of phenomena such as Euplectella's skeleton is the central problem that any theory of life must solve. The greater the statistical improbability, the less plausible is chance as a solution: that is what improbable means. But the candidate solutions to the riddle of improbability are not, as is falsely implied, design and chance. They are design and natural selection. Chance is not a solution, given the high levels of improbability we see in living organisms, and no sane biologist ever suggested that it was. Design is not a real solution either, as we shall see later; but for the moment I want to continue demonstrating the problem that any theory of life must solve: the problem of how to escape from chance.

    Turning Watchtower's page, we find the wonderful plant known as Dutchman's Pipe (Aristolochia trilobata), all of whose parts seem elegantly designed to trap insects, cover them with pollen and send them on their way to another Dutchman's Pipe. The intricate elegance of the flower moves Watchtower to ask: 'Did all of this happen by chance? Or did it happen by intelligent design?' Once again, no of course it didn't happen by chance. Once again, intelligent design is not the proper alternative to chance. Natural selection is not only a parsimonious, plausible and elegant solution; it is the only workable alternative to chance that has ever been suggested. Intelligent design suffers from exactly the same objection as chance. It is simply not a plausible solution to the riddle of statistical improbability. And the higher the improbability, the more implausible intelligent design becomes. Seen clearly, intelligent design will turn out to be a redoubling of the problem. Once again, this is because the designer himself (/herself/itself) immediately raises the bigger problem of his own origin. Any entity capable of intelligently designing something as improbable as a Dutchman's Pipe (or a universe) would have to be even more improbable than a Dutchman's Pipe. Far from terminating the vicious regress, God aggravates it with a vengeance.

    Turn another Watchtower page for an eloquent account of the giant redwood (Sequoiadendron giganteum), a tree for which I have a special affection because I have one in my garden - a mere baby, scarcely more than a century old, but still the tallest tree in the neighbourhood. 'A puny man, standing at a sequoia's base, can only gaze upward in silent awe at its massive grandeur. Does it make sense to believe that the shaping of this majestic giant and of the tiny seed that packages it was not by design?' Yet again, if you think the only alternative to design is chance then, no, it does not make sense. But again the authors omit all mention of the real alternative, natural selection, either because they genuinely don't understand it or because they don't want to.

    The process by which plants, whether tiny pimpernels or massive wellingtonias, acquire the energy to build themselves is photosynthesis. Watchtower again: ' "There are about seventy separate chemical reactions involved in photosynthesis," one biologist said. "It is truly a miraculous event." Green plants have been called nature's "factories" - beautiful, quiet, nonpolluting, producing oxygen, recycling water and feeding the world. Did they just happen by chance? Is that truly believable?' No, it is not believable; but the repetition of example after example gets us nowhere. Creationist 'logic' is always the same. Some natural phenomenon is too statistically improbable, too complex, too beautiful, too awe-inspiring to have come into existence by chance. Design is the only alternative to chance that the authors can imagine. Therefore a designer must have done it. And science's answer to this faulty logic is also always the same. Design is not the only alternative to chance. Natural selection is a better alternative. Indeed, design is not a real alternative at all because it raises an even bigger problem than it solves: who designed the designer? Chance and design both fail as solutions to the problem of statistical improbability, because one of them is the problem, and the other one regresses to it. Natural selection is a real solution. It is the only workable solution that has ever been suggested. And it is not only a workable solution, it is a solution of stunning elegance and power.

    What is it that makes natural selection succeed as a solution to the problem of improbability, where chance and design both fail at the starting gate? The answer is that natural selection is a cumulative process, which breaks the problem of improbability up into small pieces. Each of the small pieces is slightly improbable, but not prohibitively so. When large numbers of these slightly improbable events are stacked up in series, the end product of the accumulation is very very improbable indeed, improbable enough to be far beyond the reach of chance. It is these end products that form the subjects of the creationist's wearisomely recycled argument. The creationist completely misses the point, because he (women should for once not mind being excluded by the pronoun) insists on treating the genesis of statistical improbability as a single, one-off event. He doesn't understand the power of accumulation.

    In Climbing Mount Improbable, I expressed the point in a parable. One side of the mountain is a sheer cliff, impossible to climb, but on the other side is a gentle slope to the summit. On the summit sits a complex device such as an eye or a bacterial flagellar motor. The absurd notion that such complexity could spontaneously self-assemble is symbolized by leaping from the foot of the cliff to the top in one bound. Evolution, by contrast, goes around the back of the mountain and creeps up the gentle slope to the summit: easy! The principle of climbing the gentle slope as opposed to leaping up the precipice is so simple, one is tempted to marvel that it took so long for a Darwin to arrive on the scene and discover it. By the time he did, nearly three centuries had elapsed since Newton's annus mirabilis, although his achievement seems, on the face of it, harder than Darwin's.

    Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion (2006)

  • Beth Sarim
    Beth Sarim

    Is alien disclosure near and what effect would it have on the Witnesses?

  • unshackled
    unshackled

    Nickolas: I thoroughly enjoyed reading those pages in The God Delusion where Dawkins shredded the watchtower's swiss cheese reasoning.

  • FrankWTower
    FrankWTower

    Nickolas,

    Thanks for that post. I would love to get my hands on that book but I wouldn't know where to hide it.

  • Nickolas
    Nickolas

    You have a PM, FrankWTower.

  • TotallyADD
    TotallyADD

    Hey wobble, at the end of a elder school serveral years ago they read a letter to us concerning reports coming out of the UK and not to believe them. They did not go into detail but if we hear anything don't believe it. It left all of us looking at each other and wondering what they were talking about. Now back to the subject. I believe in evolution, why because I have evolved in the last couple of years and left the WT cult. It will take them 30 years to figure it out sense their imformation is 30 years in the past. Totally ADD

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