GLOBAL WARMING - "Snowfalls are a thing of the past" (page 3)

besty

When did the evironmentalist industry transition from the phrase "Global Warming" to the wiggle room friendly "Global Climate Change"?

Global warming is defined as the recent increase in surface temperatures and the projected continuance of this trend.

Climate change is defined as a change in the statistical distribution of weather patterns over decadal to millenial time frames.

The scientific use of these terms has been clear for almost 30 years. They have been used and abused interchangeably by the media, politicians, special interest groups and the public.

I'm unclear on your point here gregor - it has been pointed out numerous times on this board that the Frank Luntz 2002 strategy memo to the Bush Administration called for the use of "climate change" in place of "global warming". Ignoring the underlying inaccuracy of replacing one term with one with a different meaning, it is bizarre that you now claim to see evidence of duplicity on the part of the "environmental industry". Like I say - I'm unclear on your point.

Heaven

In the London/Lucan areas of Ontario, Canada so far this month, they've had something like 6 feet or more of snow and winter is just getting started.

Lucan Snow

You know you have a lot of snow when the buses and snow ploughs get pulled off the roads, the army gets called in, and the police can only get aound on snowmobiles.

BluesBrother

Besty has said it better than I could....selective quotes are untrue. (the newspaper made the headline, the scientist said what he meant)

Simon

One of the effects of Global Warming is Climate Change. One of the consequences of Climate Change is more extreme local weather conditions.

Yes, the planet gets warmer on average but a lot of that warmth is locked into the oceans which generate the weather. More water can be sucked into clouds and fall as snow or rain - all of which we've been seeing.

Selective quotes designed to dismiss Global Warming and Climate Change are just an ignorant excuse to avoid personal responsibility IMO.

SixofNine

Meanwhile, the earth gets warmer, just as physicist 100 years ago* predicted it would as the world became more industrialized.

*who, btw, saw the warming as a positive thing, at the time.

ablebodiedman

I personally think the "Global Warming" catch phrase is a red herring to get the world to think that the windstorms, floods, scorching heat, fires, and hailstorms have absolutey nothing to do with Gods judgment on the earth.

Jeremiah23:19-20

Look! The windstorm of Jehovah, rage itself, will certainly go forth, even a whirling tempest. Upon the head of the wicked ones it will whirl itself. 20 The anger of Jehovah will not turn back until he will have carried out and until he will have made the ideas of his heart come true. In the final part of the days YOU people will give YOUR consideration to it with understanding.

Jeremiah30:23-24

Look! A windstorm of Jehovah, rage itself, has gone forth, an onward-sweeping tempest. Upon the head of the wicked ones it will whirl. 24 The burning anger of Jehovah will not turn back until he will have executed and until he will have carried out the ideas of his heart. In the final part of the days YOU people will give YOUR consideration to it.

The last thing the powers that be want people thinking is that God is doing this stuff.

Better to manufacture a red herring

abe

SacrificialLoon

Look! The windstorm of Jehovah, rage itself, will certainly go forth, even a whirling tempest. Upon the head of the wicked ones it will whirl itself

This should not be taken literally, this means that the wicked will get swirlies.

I quit!

I've heard commentators on the radio point to a cold spell as proof that gobal warming is a myth. Not very scientific but it is enough to convince their audience that it is ok for them to continue polute the environment and squander our natural resources. Even if someone doesn't believe global warming why is it so difficult for them understand that if we continue to suck all the oil out of the earth and burn it up eventually there will be none left for our children. What took millions of years form in the earth and we are unable to replace completed used up within a few generations. Doesn't it just make a lot more sensed to get off our addictions things like oil and coal and develope renewable energy that doesn't stink up and polute the air we have to breath? Assuming gobal warming isn't real what would have been the harm in acting as if it was? And if it does turn out to be real and we continue to ingore it we could reach a point where it is to late to do anything about it?

Satanus

We need to adapt to global warming: move the cities back from the oceans, move toward the poles a bit. New york may one day be like venise. You don't hear venesians crying all the time.

S

Gregor

"personal responsibility", "...we continue to ignore it until it is too late to do anything about it"

using the terms climate change or global warming is not the debate. The debate is whether man can have an effect on the fluctuations in climate that can be scientifically proven to have occurred for eons.

This is about global climate fluctuations, not smog in the LA basin. The latter is indeed controllable by man through elemination or reduction of pollution.

A major environmental strategy to control the climate is the great ethanol fuel program. It is now recognized as doing more harm than good. But it is a runaway locomotive of political and financial special interests. The fact that it is innefective is a minor detail. Those darn unintended consequences.

Manufacturing of electric vehicles and the batteries that run them produce massive quantities of CO2 and other pollutants, such as concentrations of heavy metals. Electrical power still must be generated to recharge them. Fossil fuels being the main source of this power. And speaking of personal responsibilty, I for one have participated in sorting and recycling household trash for years. The truth is that the financial model for using recycled materials is generally not penciling out and many waste management operations are simply burying it along with the items I separated it from to begin with!

How does man control this reality :

Volcanoes can spew atmospheric dust and gases tens of kilometers into the earth’s atmosphere where prevailing winds can very quickly transport them thousands of kilometers from the original eruption.

Volcanic ash can lower visibility in the upper atmosphere and knock out aircraft engines.

Widespread ash from volcanic eruptions increase the Earth’s “Albedo Effect”, cooling the temperature of the lower troposphere while increasing the temperature of the stratosphere.

Volcanic activity is estimated to be responsible for the release of 130 million tonnes of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere annually.

Sulfur dioxide, a major ingredient of volcanic activity, is the primary cause of environmentally damaging acid rain. It also forms sulfuric acid mists which causes pulmonary damage to both people and animals.

Hydrogen sulfide, a colorless gas with an offensive odor, causes irritation of the upper respiratory tract and pulmonary edema.

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Atmospheric dust from volcanoes can act as a magnet for other pollutants and water vapor, giving rise to atmospheric hazes and heavy fogs.

GLOBAL WARMING - "Snowfalls are a thing of the past"

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