Violent crime in the U.S. has been on a steady decline. Meanwhile, our citizens enjoy a new array of very realistic video games/movies, two large wars persist and we have hundreds of thousands of active and former military personnel living among us.
Violent entertainment and it's effects
by sabastious 32 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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pirata
One thing I've always found disturbing is, "why do we find the deaths/suffering/pain of other people entertaining?" Yet, if that same thing were too happen to us or our family and friends, we likely would not. I have not been able to answer that question.
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Soldier77
I played World of Warcraft for 4 years. I haven't enchanted, backstabbed, ambushed, hamstrung, eviscerated, cursed, executed, slice and diced, frost striked anyone since playing.
Okay, I lied, I curse people all the time...
Damn it! You caught me WTS!
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thetrueone
Violent crime in the U.S. has been on a steady decline. Meanwhile, our citizens enjoy a new array of very realistic video games/movies, two large wars persist and we have hundreds of thousands of active and former military personnel living among us.
That may be true in a broad based perspective but specifically on violent video games and the apparent effects on young
emotionally unstable ones, may provide some differing and opposing results.
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Nathan Natas
It seems to me that someone has a rather incomplete and unrealistic understanding of man's history.
You want violence? You want bloodshed? Go into the past, not the future.
Primitive cultures were violent and they didn't have "entertainment."
Some primitive cultures were cannibalistic - today it's only Canada.
(That's a joke, Canadians. Please don't eat me.)
Primitive war strategy was "kill all the men" at the very least, or "time to make soup" at the far extreme. You don't need "entertainment" to figure out that repeatedly bashing someone on the head with something hard will hurt them.
I'm also not very sure that violent video games teach anyone how to actually handle and maintain a weapon. Do they? None of the ones I've ever played did.
Does playing Grand Theft Auto teach you how to do a proper power slide? Does it even teach you how to drive?
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Nathan Natas
Would the WATCHTOWER suggest that playing "Leisure Suit Larry" could make you a hit with chicks?
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purplesofa
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/steven_pinker_on_the_myth_of_violence.html
Watch the video at TedTV!
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Steven Pinker on the myth of violence
Click on any phrase to play the video from that point.
Images like this, from the Auschwitz concentration camp, have been seared into our consciousness during the 20th century and have given us a new understanding of who we are, where we've come from and the times we live in. During the 20th century, we witnessed the atrocities of Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Rwanda and other genocides,and even though the 21st century is only seven years old, we have already witnessed an ongoing genocide in Darfur and the daily horrors of Iraq.This has led to a common understanding of our situation, namely: that modernity has brought us terrible violence, and perhaps that native peoples lived in a state of harmony that we have departed from to our peril.
Here is an example from an op-ed on Thanksgiving in the Boston Globe a couple of years ago, where the writer wrote, "The Indian lifewas a difficult one, but there were no employment problems, community harmony was strong, substance abuse unknown, crime nearly non-existent, what warfare there was between tribeswas largely ritualistic and seldom resulted in indiscriminate or wholesale slaughter." Now, you're all familiar with this treacle. We teach it to our children; we hear it on television and in story books. Now, the original title of this session was, "Everything You Know Is Wrong," and I'm going to present evidence that this particular part of our common understanding is wrong: that in fact our ancestors were far more violent than we are, that violence has been in decline for long stretches of time, and that today we are probably living in the most peaceful time in our species' existence.
Now, in the decade of Darfur and Iraq, a statement like that might seem somewhere between hallucinatory and obscene. But I'm going to try to convince you that that is the correct picture. The decline of violence is a fractal phenomenon. You can see it over millennia, over centuries, over decades and over years, although there seems to have been a tipping point at the onset of the Age of Reason in the 16th century. One sees it all over the world, although not homogeneously. It's especially evident in the West, beginning with England and Holland around the time of the Enlightenment.
Let me take you on a journey of several powers of 10 -- from the millennium scale to the year scale --to try to persuade you of this. Until 10,000 years ago, all humans lived as hunter-gatherers, without permanent settlements or government. And this is the state that's commonly thought to be one of primordial harmony. But the archaeologistLawrence Keeley, looking at casualty rates among contemporary hunter-gatherers -- which is our best source of evidence about this way of life -- has shown a rather different conclusion.
Here is a graph that he put together showing the percentage of male deaths due to warfare in a number of foraging or hunting and gathering societies. The red bars correspond to the likelihood that a man will die at the hands of another man, as opposed to passing away of natural causes, in a variety of foraging societies in the New Guinea Highlands and the Amazon Rainforest. And they range from a rate of almost a 60 percent chance that a man will die at the hands of another man to, in the case of the Gebusi, only a 15 percent chance. The tiny little blue bar in the lower left hand corner plots the corresponding statistic from United States and Europe in the 20th century, and includes all the deaths of both World Wars. If the death rate in tribal warfare had prevailed during the 20th century, there would have been two billion deaths rather than 100 million.
Also at the millennium scale, we can look at the way of life of early civilizations such as the ones described in the Bible. And in this supposed source of our moral values one can read descriptions of what was expected in warfare,such as the following from Numbers 31: "And they warred against the Midianites as the Lord commanded Moses, and they slew all the males. And Moses said unto them, 'Have you saved all the women alive? Now, therefore, kill every maleamong the little ones and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him, but all the women children that have not know a man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves.'" In other words,kill the men, kill the children, if you see any virginsthen you can keep them alive so that you can rape them. You can find four or five passages in the Bible of this ilk. Also in the Bible one sees that the death penalty was the accepted punishment for crimes such as homosexuality, adultery, blasphemy, idolatry, talking back to your parents --(Laughter) -- and picking up sticks on the Sabbath.Well, let's click the zoom lens down one order of magnitude and look at the century scale. Although we don't have statistics for warfare throughout the Middle Ages to modern times, we know just from conventional history -- the evidence has been under our nose all along that there has been a reduction in socially sanctioned forms of violence.
For example, any social history will reveal that mutilation and torture were routine forms of criminal punishment. The kind of infraction today that would give you a fine, in those days would result in your tongue being cut out, your ears being cut off, you being blinded, a hand being chopped off and so on. There were numerous ingenious forms of sadistic capital punishment: burning at the stake, disemboweling, breaking on the wheel,being pulled apart by horses and so on. The death penalty was a sanction for a long list of non-violent crimes: criticizing the king, stealing a loaf of bread. Slavery, of course, was the preferred labor-saving device, and cruelty was a popular form of entertainment. Perhaps the most vivid examplewas the practice of cat burning, in which a cat was hoisted on a stage and lowered in a sling into a fire, and the spectators shrieked in laughter as the cat, howling in pain, was burned to death.
What about one-on-one murder? Well, there there are good statistics, because many municipalities recorded the cause of death. The criminologist Manuel Eisner scoured all of the historical records across Europe for homicide rates in any village, hamlet, town, county that he could find, and he supplemented them with national data when nations started keeping statistics. He plotted on a logarithmic scale, going from 100 deaths per 100,000 people per year, which was approximately the rate of homicide in the Middle Ages. And the figure plummets down to less than one homicide per 100,000 people per year in seven or eight European countries. Then there is a slight uptick in the 1960s. The people who said that rock 'n roll would lead to the decline of moral values actually had a grain of truth to that. But there was a decline from at least two orders of magnitude in homicide from the Middle Ages to the present, and the elbow occurred in the early 16th century.
Let's click down to the decade scale. According to non-governmental organizations that keep such statistics, since 1945 in Europe and the Americasthere has been a steep decline in interstate wars,in deadly ethnic riots or pogroms and in military coups, even in South America. Worldwide, there's been a steep decline in deaths in interstate wars. The yellow bars here show the number of deaths per war per year from 1950 to the present. And, as you can see, the death rate goes down from 65,000 deaths per conflict per year in the 1950s to less than 2,000 deaths per conflict per year in this decade, as horrific as it is. Even in the year scale one can see a decline of violence. Since the end of the Cold War there have been fewer civil wars,fewer genocides -- indeed, a 90 percent reduction since post-World War II highs -- and even a reversal of the 1960s uptick in homicide and violent crime. This is from the FBI Uniform Crime Statistics: you can see that there is a fairly low rate of violence in the '50s and the '60s, then it soared upward for several decades and began a precipitous decline, starting in the 1990s, so that it went back almost to the level that was last enjoyed in 1960. President Clinton, if you're here, thank you. (Laughter)
So the question is: why are so many people so wrong about something so important? I think there are a number of reasons. One of them is we have better reporting: "The Associated Press is a better chronicler of wars over the surface of the Earththan 16th-century monks were." There's a cognitive illusion: we cognitive psychologists know that the easier it is to recall specific instances of something, the higher the probability that you assign to it. Things that we read about in the paper with gory footage burn into memory more than reports of a lot more people dying in their beds of old age. There are dynamics in the opinion and advocacy markets: no one ever attracted observers, advocates and donors by saying"things just seem to be getting better and better."(Laughter)
There's guilt about our treatment of native peoplesin modern intellectual life, and an unwillingness to acknowledge there could be anything good about Western culture. And of course, our change in standards can outpace the change in behavior. One of the reasons violence went down is that people got sick of the carnage and cruelty in their time. That's a process that seems to be continuing, but if it outstrips behavior by the standards of the day, things always look more barbaric than they would have been by historic standards. So today, we get exercised -- and rightly so -- if a handful of murderers get executed by lethal injection in Texas after a 15-year appeal process. We don't consider that a couple of hundred years ago they may have been burned at the stake for criticizing the king after a trial that lasted 10 minutes -- and indeed, that that would have been repeated over and over. Today we look at capital punishment as evidence of how low our behavior can sink, rather than how high our standards have risen.
Well, why has violence declined? No one really knows, but I have read four explanations, all of which, I think, have some grain of plausibility. The first is: maybe Thomas Hobbes got it right. He was the one who said that life in a state of nature was "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short." Not because, he argued, humans have some primordial thirst for blood, or aggressive instinct or territorial imperative, but because of the logic of anarchy. In a state of anarchy there's a constant temptation to invade your neighbors preemptively,before they invade you. More recently Thomas Schelling gives the analogy of a homeowner who hears a rustling in the basement. Being a good American, he has a pistol in the nightstand, pulls out his gun, and walks down the stairs. And what does he see but a burglar with a gun in his hand.Each of them is thinking, "I don't really want to kill that guy, but he's about to kill me. Maybe I had better shoot him before he shoots me, especially since, even if he doesn't want to kill me, he's probably worrying right now that I might kill himbefore he kills me." And so on. Hunter-gatherer peoples explicitly go through this train of thought,and will often raid their neighbors out of fear of being raided first.
Now, one way of dealing with this problem is by deterrence: you don't strike first, but you have a publicly announced policy that you will retaliate savagely if you are invaded. The only thing is that this policy is liable to having its bluff called, and therefore can only work if it's credible. To make it credible you must avenge all insults and settle all scores, which leads to cycles of bloody vendetta.Life becomes an episode of the Sopranos. Hobbes' solution, the "Leviathan," was that if authority for the legitimate use of violence was vested in a single democratic agency -- a leviathan -- then such a state can reduce the temptation of attack, because any kind of aggression will be punished, leaving its profitability as zero. That would remove the temptation to invade preemptively out of fear of them attacking you first.And it removes the need for a hair-trigger for retaliation to make your deterrent threat credible. And therefore, it would lead to a state of peace. Eisner -- the man who plotted the homicide ratesthat you failed to see in the earlier slide -- argued that the timing of the decline of homicide in Europecoincided with the rise of centralized states. That's a bit of a support for the leviathan theory. Also supporting it is the fact that we today see eruptions of violence in zones of anarchy: in failed states, collapsed empires, frontier regions, mafias, street gangs and so on.
The second explanation is that in many times and places there is a widespread sentiment that life is cheap. In earlier times, when suffering and early death were common in one's own life, one has fewer compunctions about inflicting them on others. And as technology and economic efficiency make life longer and more pleasant, one puts a higher value on life in general. This was an argument from the political scientist James Payne.
A third explanation invokes the concept of a "non-zero sum game," and was worked out in the book Non-Zero by the journalist Robert Wright. Wright points out that in certain circumstancescooperation, including non-violence, can benefit both parties in an interaction, such as gains in trade when two parties trade their surpluses and both come out ahead, or when two parties lay down their arms and split the so-called peace dividend that results in them not having to fight the whole time. Wright argues that technology has increased the number of positive-sum games that humans tend to be embroiled in by allowing the trade of goods, services and ideas over longer distances and among larger groups of people.The result is that other people become more valuable alive than dead, and violence declines for selfish reasons. As Wright put it, "Among the many reasons that I think that we should not bomb the Japanese is that they built my mini-van."(Laughter)
The fourth explanation is captured in the title of a book called The Expanding Circle, by the philosopher Peter Singer, who argues that evolution bequeathed humans with a sense of empathy: an ability to treat other peoples' interestsas comparable to one's own. Unfortunately, by default we apply it only to a very narrow circle of friends and family. People outside that circle are treated as sub-human, and can be exploited with impunity. But over history, the circle has expanded. One can see, in historical record, it expanding from the village, to the clan, to the tribe, to the nation, to other races, to both sexes and, in Singer's own arguments, something that we should extend to other sentient species. The question is, if this has happened, what has powered that expansion?
And there are a number of possibilities. Increasing circles of reciprocity in the sense that Robert Wright argues for. The logic of the golden rule: the more you think about and interact with other people the more you realize that it is untenable to privilege your interests over theirs, at least not if you want them to listen to you. You can't say that my interests are special compared to yours,anymore than you can say that the particular spotthat I'm standing on is a unique part of the universe because I happen to be standing on it that very minute. It may also be powered by cosmopolitanism: by histories and journalism and memoirs and realistic fiction and travel and literacy, which allows you to project yourself into the lives of other people that formerly you may have treated as sub-human, and also to realize the accidental contingency of your own station in life; the sense that "there but for fortune go I."
Whatever its causes, the decline of violence has profound implications. It should force us to ask not just "Why is there war?" but also "Why is there peace?" Not just "What are we doing wrong?" but also "What have we been doing right?" Because we have been doing something right, and it sure would be good to find out what it is. Thank you very much. (Applause).
Chris Anderson: I loved that talk. I think a lot of people here in the room would say that that expansion of -- that you were talking about, that Peter Singer talks about, is also driven by, just by technology, by greater visibility of the other, and the sense that the world is therefore getting smaller. I mean, is that also a grain of truth?
Steven Pinker: Very much. It would fit both in Wright's theory, that it allows us to enjoy the benefits of cooperation over larger and larger circles. But also, I think it helps us imagine what it's like to be someone else. I think when you readthese horrific tortures that were common in the Middle Ages you think, how could they possibly have done it, how could they have not have empathized with the person that they're disemboweling? But clearly, as far as they're concerned, this is just an alien being that does not have feelings akin to their own. Anything, I think,that makes it easier to imagine trading places with someone else means that it increases your moral consideration to that other person.
CA: Well, Steve, I would love every news media owner to hear that talk at some point in the next year. I think it's really important. Thank you so much.
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White Dove
Not for kids, but I enjoy the venting effects of violent shows sometimes.
I don't watch it much, though.
I thought SAW was freaky but interesting.
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aSphereisnotaCircle
Nathan is correct, pick up any history book and take a glance at the extreme violence in peoples everyday lives in the past.
Now, most people don't live in violence near as much as out ancesters did, and that was real, not just simulations.
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sabastious
Violent entertainment existed in all societies, in all times. With the increase in population came the mass-distribution, that is all. However, I assume that kids in ancient and medieval times were not exposed as much as kids nowadays, yet the human society has always been violent in a constant quantity.
The "violent entertainment has always existed" argument is stale because the level of realism in violent entertainment is exponentially higher than that of the history of violent entertainment.
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