'great crowd' are in the temple (naos) but not in the new covenant???

by fukitol 23 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • fukitol
    fukitol

    In one of the biggest about-faces in Watchtower history, in a 2002 Question from Readers it was admitted that the great crowd is indeed in the temple itself (naos) in Revelation 7.

    But notice the statement bolded below from that article comparing the great crowd to the proselytes in ancient Israel. The statement is made that the proselytes "submitted to the Law covenant."

    The Insight on the Scriptures volume 1, p.72 on 'Alien Resident' makes the same point, that these proselytes were effectively the same as any other member of 'the congregation of Israel':

    “The terms of the Law covenant allowed for persons of all national backgrounds to come into membership of the congregation of Israel by accepting the true worship of Jehovah and becoming circumcised … The alien resident who had become a circumcised worshiper was bound to one law with the Israelites, that is, to obey all the terms of the Law covenant.” Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 1 p.72, ‘Alien Resident’.

    The logical conclusion is that the great crowd must likewise be in the new covenant, as spiritual members the same Christian 'congregation', just as those ancient alien residents became actual members of the congregation of Israel and were literally included in the old covenant.

    great crowd and 144k = both in the naos, the temple

    great crowd and 144k = all 'domestics'.

    great crowd and 144k = both in the new covenant, as both the Israelites and alien residents were in the old covenant.

    NEW LIGHT to this effect is all the Society needs to announce to solve the worsening dilemma of increasing numbers of partakers at each memorial. They can announce that all those who believe they are prospective members of the great crowd may also now take the emblems to signify they are also in the new covenant, BUT only in the sense of being like an alien resident or proselyte also in the old law covenant, and ONLY in the sense of standing in the earthly courtyard of the temple not in the inner sanctuary reserved only for the 144k. Such new light would also make sense since they recently announced that both the anointed and other sheep are all domestics .

    Members of the great crowd exercise faith in Jesus' ransom sacrifice. They are spiritually clean, having "washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." Hence, they are declared righteous with a view to becoming friends of God and of surviving the great tribulation. (James 2:23, 25) In many ways, they are like proselytes in Israel who submitted to the Law covenant and worshiped along with the Israelites.

    Of course, those proselytes did not serve in the inner courtyard, where the priests performed their duties. And members of the great crowd are not in the inner courtyard of Jehovah's great spiritual temple, which courtyard represents the condition of perfect, righteous human sonship of the members of Jehovah's "holy priesthood" while they are on earth. (1 Peter 2:5) But as the heavenly elder said to John, the great crowd really is in the temple, not outside the temple area in a kind of spiritual Court of the Gentiles . What a privilege that is! And how it highlights the need for each one to maintain spiritual and moral purity at all times!" Watchtower 2002 May 1 pp.30-31

  • notsurewheretogo
    notsurewheretogo
    You have highlighted the issue and highlighted a solution...interesting.
  • Parker45
    Parker45

    notice the statement bolded below from that article comparing the great crowd to the proselytes in ancient Israel. The statement is made that the proselytes "submitted to the Law covenant."

    The Insight on the Scriptures volume 1, p.72 on 'Alien Resident' makes the same point, that these proselytes were effectively the same as any other member of 'the congregation of Israel'

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  • The Searcher
    The Searcher

    Just as non-heavenly hopers in the first few years of JW's being created, were not called JW's, they were Jonadabs.

    Then wonder of wonders!!

    In the 1940's "new light" permitted the Jonadab class to join the ranks of JW.'s - with the caveat that there were now clearly two classes of JW's - those with a Melchizedek type of hope (to become a King/priest - in heaven) and those who would have to survive a test at the "great tribulation", "grow to perfection" for 1000 years, and then have to pass a final test after the 1000 years had ended - and then inherit the earth!

    No suggestions of a two-tier Christianity. Sounds fair to me!

    Allowing the riff-raff into the New Covenant wouldn't be a big deal for the Org.

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    Admitting their mistake in this regard would be a big deal, so I must disagree with Searcher on this one.

    There is no "problem" with increasing partaker numbers. The GB can simply say," These people are mistaken and don't give "clear evidence" of being anointed." JWs still cling to the belief that the GB/FDS are spiritual giants, seers, gurus, the most humble of humans in all of history, possessed of special knowledge, the most spiritually enlightened collective in all of human history and "God's Channel."

    So a flawed human being in a local congregation will always be viewed with suspicion, because the GB have cultivated a mystique for decades. One that is just recently being "adjusted" because the GB have been forced by circumstance into the spotlight.

    Admitting another mistake, without having decided on the appropriate spin, is a touchy matter. Also, as the latest WT lesson proves, the GB want a minimum emphasis on Jesus and to keep the R&F in place.

    The very second that the R&F realize that they are in the new covenant, the wheels will start turning in their minds. Who knows what dissent will occur afterwards? This is a problem. The WTBTS will NEVER change this teaching. These are the same people who lie in court and on JWTV about child sexual abuse.

    Its not in them to actually admit a mistake, apologize, or share authority in any way.

    DD

  • B4Right
    B4Right
    Data Dog is on to something! Reading CoC by Ray Franz you get that vibe of superiority from the GB and now that new light has made them FDS the air of power is all they wake up knowing they have to breathe!
  • prologos
    prologos

    look at the New Covenant, I) forgiveness of sin, 2) law in the heart. Forgiveness of sins= salvation. The great crowd says: " -- Salvation we owe --- to God--and the Lamb--" Rev 9:10.-- So, the great crowd is pronounced, approved, as "saved" as much as the others in the new covenant, they might not be in the Kingdom covenant, but then, who can be sure among all the most deluded?

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    Who the hell are the 24 Elders?!?! Part of an ancient pantheon of galactic rulers?? Sounds good to me....

    DD

  • wallsofjericho
    wallsofjericho

    "The very second that the R&F realize that they are in the new covenant, the wheels will start turning in their minds. Who knows what dissent will occur afterwards? This is a problem. The WTBTS will NEVER change this teaching."


    most R&F JWs wouldn't have a CLUE as to what we're talking about. You would have to teach them what they "used" to believe at the same time you are telling them what they "now" believe

  • fukitol
    fukitol

    So have all the numerous bits of 'new light' and doctrinal changes in recent years been 'admitting mistakes' Data-Dog? Don't be naive - the rank and file only see these things as 'new light' not 'mistakes'.

    The Society has made so many changes relatively recently and nobody even blinks amongst the rank and file, eg, the new ludicrous overlapping generation teaching is unrecognizable from 20 years ago.

    JW's will swallow anything as 'new light' from heaven with glee uncritically and without question as long as it's spun the right way.

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