Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 09-19-10 WT Study (HARVEST)

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    Comments You Will Not Hear at the 09-19-10 WT Study (JULY 15, 2010, pages 16-20)(HARVEST)

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    H AVE A F ULL S HARE IN

    THE G REAT S PIRITUAL H ARVEST

    ‘ Have plenty to do in the work of the Lord. ’ —1 COR. 15:58.

    OPENING COMMENTS

    What does the WTS mean by “full share”?

    In Russell’s time, who were they harvesting and how long was that period (1874-1914, 40 years)?

    START OF ARTICLE

    1. What invitation did Jesus extend to his disciples?

    WHILE traveling through the region of

    Samaria at the close of 30 C.E., Jesus

    paused to rest at a well near the town of Sychar.

    There he said to his disciples: “Lift up

    your eyes and view the fields, that they are

    white for harvesting.” (John 4:35) Jesus was

    referring, not to a literal harvest, but to a

    spiritual ingathering of righthearted individuals

    who would become his followers.

    His words were, in effect, a call to action.

    There was much work to be done and only a

    brief space of time in which to accomplish

    it!

    COMMENTS

    What does the WTS mean by “righthearted”? Another word not in the bible.

    Jesus’ followers – no mention of being Jehovah’s witnesses

    · Acts 1:8, Witnesses of Jesus

    · 1 Cor. 1:6, even as the witness about the Christ has been rendered firm among YOU,

    · Revelation 12:17 to wage war with the remaining ones of her seed, who observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness to Jesus.

    · Revelation 17:6 And I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the holy ones and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus.

    What was the brief space of time that Jesus had in mind for 1 st century Christians? 33 C.E. to 70 C.E., 37 years.

    What has been the brief space of time for jws---1879 to 2010, almost 131 years.

    Does the WTS teach that 144,000 were gathered by 100 A.D.? Professed Christians?

    *** w521/15 p. 62 Questions From Readers***

    ? Accordingtothearticle“HatedforHisName”intheSeptember1,1951,Watchtower,hundredsofthousandsofChristiansdiedinthe“tenpersecutions”startinginNero’stime,144,000dyinginEgyptaloneduringoneofthepersecutions.HowcanthisbeharmonizedwiththeScripturallimitationof144,000placedonthenumberbeinginChrist’sbody,andwhichpositionwastheonlyoneopentoChristiansduringthosecenturies?—J.A.,DominicanRepublic.

    The article did not class with any finality the individuals that died during these persecutions, but spoke of the results in a general way. Note that a key qualification was made in the case referred to in the question: “In the province of Egypt alone, 144,000 such professed Christians died by violence in the course of this persecution, in addition to another 700,000 who died as a result of fatigues encountered in banishment or under enforced public works.” The victims are identified as “professed Christians”, not Christians in fact. Many of those persons might have been caught in the wave of persecution, but may never have actually preached the truth or followed in Jesus’ footsteps, being only professed Christians. They knew the world they lived in was rotten and they were listening to the message of the Christians and willing to die for it even though not in line for the high calling in Christ Jesus. Many professed Christians todaymight be willing to die for their faith, but still not be Jesus’ footstep followers and meeting the Scriptural requirements for such.

    2, 3. (a) What indicates that we are living in the

    harvesttime? (b) What will this article consider?

    2 Jesus’ words about a harvest have special

    meaning for our day. We live at a time when

    the world field of humanity is “white for

    harvesting.” Yearly, millions of people receive

    the invitation to take in life-giving

    truths, and many thousands of new disciples

    are baptized. Ours is the privilege to

    take part in the greatest harvest of all time,

    under the supervision of the Master of

    the harvest, Jehovah God. Are you having

    “plenty to do” in this harvest work?—1 Cor.

    15:58.

    COMMENTS

    Did Russell expect there still to be harvesting today?

    We see no reason in changing the figures - nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble. The Watchtower July 15, 1894 p. 226

    For instance, as we look back and note that the Scriptures marked 1873 as the end of six thousand years from Adam to the beginning of the seventh thousand, and the fall of 1874 as the beginning of the forty-year harvest of the Gospel age and day of wrath for the overthrow of all the institutions of "this present evil world [or order of affairs],"* we can see that facts have well borne out those predictions of Scripture. Ibid. p. 227

    .the full end of the times of the Gentiles, i.e., the full end of their lease of dominion, will be reached in A.D. 1914; and that date will be the farthest limit of the rule of imperfect men . The Time Is At Hand 1889 p. 76-77.

    What is the invitation, who gives it (only jws?), and in what baptism are these new disciples baptized?

    3 During his three-and-a-half-year earthly

    ministry, Jesus groomed his disciples for

    their role as harvest workers. This article will

    consider three of the many important lessons

    that Jesus taught his disciples. Each lesson

    highlights a quality that is of great value

    to us as we strive to do our best in the

    modern-day ingathering of disciples. Let us

    consider these qualities one at a time.

    COMMENTS

    Who did the early Christians first “harvest”?

    According to Russell the harvest ended in 1914….why does it continue today?

    Humility Is Essential

    4. How did Jesus illustrate the importance of humility?

    4 Picture the scene: The disciples have just

    argued about who is the greatest. Feelings of

    distrust and ill will are likely still visible on

    their faces. So Jesus calls a young child to

    stand in their midst. Focusing attention on

    the small figure, he says: “Whoever will

    humble himself [or, “whoever makes himself

    small,” Byington] like this young child is

    the one that is the greatest in the kingdom

    of the heavens.” (Read Matthew 18:1-4.) Instead

    of thinking like the world, which measures

    a person by his power, wealth, and position,

    the disciples needed to understand

    that their greatness depended on ‘making

    themselves small’ in the eyes of others. Jehovah

    would bless them and use them only if

    they showed true humility.

    COMMENTS

    What does the WTS mean “make themselves small” (makes himself small)?

    Why does the WTS bypass the NWT and use Byington’s translation? Is the NWT deficient? http://www.freeminds.org/doctrine/bible/who-was-steven-t.-byington.html

    What does the scripture say in the NWT?

    Matthew 18:4 whoever will humble himself like this young child (NWT)

    http://205.134.162.24/downloads/1972_Byington_Bible_in_Living_English.pdf

    Are the governing body members humble? Can you imagine them washing your feet?

    5, 6. Why must you be humble in order to have a

    full share in the harvest work? Illustrate .

    5 To this day, many in the world dedicate

    their lives to the pursuit of power, wealth,

    and position. As a result, they have little or

    no time for spiritual interests. (Matt. 13:22)

    In contrast, Jehovah’s people are happy to

    ‘make themselves small’ in the eyes of others

    in order to win the blessing and approval

    of the Master of the harvest.—Matt. 6:24;

    2 Cor.11:7; Phil. 3:8.

    COMMENTS

    “many in the world” = power, wealth, position; what about people at the KH? I remember the brother that had been an MS for ten years and no move was made to appoint him an elder. His wife was frustrated and quit her job and regular pioneered (something she had never done in her life). Hubbie was appointed an elder and she quit pioneering and went back to her lucrative job.

    So many men at the KH when they met us for the first time had to let us know that they were an elder or MS, what their “privileges” were. Not one told us they were a pioneer. How many men are willing to make themselves small to be regular pioneers in congregations? The largest number I ever say was during the Vietnam era because they wanted to avoid being drafted or going to prison.

    I know many non-jws that have spiritual interests, that have home bible study groups, go door to door inviting people to come to their church.

    6 Consider the example of Francisco, who

    serves as an elder in South America. As a

    young man, he quit the university to become

    a pioneer. “When I later got engaged

    to be married,” he recalls, “I could have

    found a job that would have brought my

    wife and me greater financial security. Instead,

    we decided to simplify our lives and

    continue together in the full-time service.

    Later, children came along, and the challenges

    increased. But Jehovah helped us

    stick to our decision.” Francisco concludes:

    “For more than 30 years, I have enjoyed the

    privilege of serving as an elder, in addition to

    many other special assignments. Never for a

    moment have we regretted living a simple

    life.”

    COMMENTS

    Brownie point: quit the university to be a pioneer

    Not so good: he married but

    Brownie point: he and his wife BOTH pioneered

    Not so good: children came along (never heard of birth control I guess)

    ???Did he and his continue as pioneers…stick to our decision…what was that?

    Humble: 30 years “privilege” as an elder—many special assignments

    I know 2 elders that did not quit the university and did not pioneer and still enjoy the “privilege” of being an elder and special assignments….what’s the point?

    What does the WTS mean specifically to live a simple life? How little money can they earn, how big a house can they have, are cars out, no travel except to conventions…..?

    7. How have you tried to apply the counsel found at

    Romans 12:16?

    7 If you say no to the “lofty things” of this

    world and allow yourself to be “led along

    with the lowly things,” you too can expect to

    enjoy many additional blessings and privileges

    in the harvest work.—Rom.12:16; Matt.

    4:19, 20; Luke 18:28-30.

    COMMENTS

    What about the lofty things in the organization? Who are the lowly things in the congregation? How often do the elders associate with the “lowly”?

    From 1975 onward the elders were no longer called servants (under) but overseers (over). Hmmmm…………..

    I remember an elder giving a talk about the relationship of the elders to the congregation. He said that Christians were slaves of Christ and that the elders were then slaves of slaves. He was counseled privately for saying that.

    ***w89 9/15 p. 16 par. 6 Elders—Treat God’s Flock With Tenderness!***

    those shouldering responsibility among Jesus’ followers must be their slaves, not their masters;

    Diligence Brings Rewards

    8, 9. (a) Summarize Jesus’ illustration

    of the talents. (b) For whom especially

    can this illustration be encouraging?

    8 Another quality that we need in order to

    have a full share in the harvest work is diligence.

    Jesus illustrated this in the parable of

    the talents.* That illustration is about a man

    who, before traveling abroad, entrusted his

    belongings to three slaves. The first and second

    slave received five and two talents respectively;

    the third, one talent. After their master left, the

    first two slaves acted with diligence

    and immediately “did business” with

    their talents. In contrast, the third slave

    was “sluggish.” He buried his talent in the

    ground. Upon returning, the man rewarded

    the first two slaves by appointing them

    “over many things.”He took away the talent

    that he had given to the third slave and expelled

    that slave from his household.—Matt.

    25:14-30.

    COMMENTS

    How many jws sit out there and think “I’m not doing enough.”

    Who does the WTS teach is the third slave?

    9 No doubt your heart’s desire is to imitate

    the diligent slaves in Jesus’ parable and have

    as full a share as possible in the disciple making

    work. But what if circumstances severely

    limit what you are currently

    able to do? Perhaps harsh

    economic conditions force you

    to work long hours to provide

    for your family. Or maybe you

    no longer enjoy youthful vigor

    and good health. If that is the

    case, the parable of the talents

    contains an encouraging message

    for you.

    * The parable of the talents is primarily

    about how Jesus deals with his anointed

    disciples, but it contains principles

    that apply to all Christians.

    COMMENTS

    Full a share = who judges whether it is full?

    Circumstances severely limit = note an “experience” later in this article

    Force you to work long hours

    No youthful vigor and good health =

    Notice that the WTS admits that this applies specifically to anointed Christians but then goes beyond the scriptures and says it applies to all Christians (only jws)

    Picture: Humility can help us to lead

    a simple life that centers

    on Kingdom interests

    10. How did the master in the parable of the talents

    show reasonableness, and why do you find this encouraging?

    10 Note that the master in the parable recognized

    that each of his slaves had different

    potential. He indicated this when he assigned

    talents to “each one according to his

    own ability.” (Matt. 25:15) As expected, the

    first slave produced significantly more than

    the second slave. However, the master recognized

    the diligent efforts of both of these

    slaves by pronouncing the slaves “good and

    faithful” and giving them identical rewards.

    (Matt. 25:21, 23) Similarly, the Master of the

    harvest, Jehovah God, knows that your circumstances

    affect what you are able to do in

    his service. He will not fail to recognize your

    whole-souled efforts to serve him and reward

    you accordingly.—Mark 14:3-9; read

    Luke 21:1-4.

    COMMENTS

    Yes, I am willing to believe that Jesus can see we have different potentials.

    But what about those lofty jws who will tell you that you need to live on less (while they live on more).

    Identical rewards = yet how many jws have been told they cannot advance until their hours and their family’s hours are higher?

    11. Illustrate how diligence in trying circumstances

    can result in rich blessings.

    11 The example of Selmira, a Christian sister

    living in Brazil, shows that being diligent

    in God’s service does not depend on having

    favorable circumstances in life. Twenty years

    ago, Selmira’s husband was gunned down in

    a robbery, leaving her with three young children

    to rear. Her job as a maid involved working

    long hours and making tiring journeys in

    packed urban transportation. Despite these

    difficulties, she organized her affairs so that

    she could serve as a regular pioneer. Two of

    her three children later joined her in the pioneer

    service. “Over the years, I have studied

    the Bible with more than 20 people, and they

    have become members of my ‘family,’” she

    relates. “To this day, I enjoy their love and

    friendship. It is a treasure that money cannot

    buy.” The Master of the harvest has certainly

    rewarded Selmira’s diligent efforts!

    COMMENTS

    So was your husband gunned down in a robbery?

    Were you left alone to raise 3 small children?

    Did you have to work long hours and travel far on public transportation?

    So if you add in the meetings and nominal field service, when did she sleep?

    How did she specifically and practically arrange her circumstances?

    Experiences like this leave jws feeling they have no excuse. Does this woman exist, there is no way to confirm the truthfulness.

    12. How can we show diligence in the preaching

    work?

    12 If current circumstances in life limit the

    time that you have available to spend in the

    ministry, you could still try to increase your

    share in the harvest work by making your

    ministry more productive. When you carefully

    apply the practical suggestions presented

    at the weekly Service Meeting, you will

    hone your preaching skills and explore new

    witnessing opportunities. (2 Tim. 2:15) Also,

    if it is possible, you could reschedule or sacrifice

    nonessential activities so that you can

    regularly support congregation field service

    arrangements.—Col. 4:5.

    COMMENTS

    Increase share by being more productive………!!!!

    Was the second slave told he could have been more productive?

    What are nonessential activities

    Clean house

    Keep car clean and repaired

    Laundry

    Grocery shopping/cooking/wash dishes

    Vacuum, change sheets

    Work in garden to save money on food

    Keep house in repair

    …………………….

    So jws are not regularly supporting official meetings for service…I remember those days when people met with a partner and went out in their own territory, elders and MS that did the day’s text, made up car groups, and then disappeared on their own.

    13. What is the key to cultivating and maintaining

    diligence?

    13 Keep in mind that diligence springs

    from an appreciative heart. (Ps. 40:8) The

    third slave mentioned in Jesus’ parable was

    afraid of his master, viewing him as a demanding

    and unreasonable person. As a result,

    the man buried his talent instead of using

    it to increase his master’s belongings. To

    avoid a similar negligent attitude, we need to

    cultivate and maintain a warm relationship

    with the Master of the harvest, Jehovah. Set

    aside time to study and meditate on his

    appealing qualities—his love, patience, and

    mercy. In that way, you will be moved from

    the heart to do your best in his service.—Luke

    6:45; Phil. 1:9-11.

    COMMENTS

    Appreciate of God and Jesus or the WTS/GB/FDS?

    So the rank and file are not doing their best: doing the pioneer shuffle, the invisible door knock or doorbell ring, the 45 minute (3 hours on slip) morning in service, having not read the offer, not making return visits or coming back so long after you can remember where they live, what they look like, their name.

    “You Must Be Holy”

    14. What important requirement must be met by

    those who want to be harvest workers?

    14 Quoting from the Hebrew Scriptures,

    the apostle Peter states God’s express will for

    his earthly servants, saying: “In accord with

    the Holy One who called you, do you also

    become holy yourselves in all your conduct,

    because it is written: ‘You must be holy, because

    I am holy.’” (1 Pet. 1:15, 16; Lev. 19:2;

    Deut. 18:13) This statement highlights that

    harvest workers need to be morally and spiritually

    clean. We can meet that important requirement

    by taking steps to be washed clean, figuratively

    speaking. How can that be

    done? With the help of God’s word of truth.

    COMMENTS

    Does being holy also mean not gossiping or lying about fellow believers?

    Does it mean treating pedophiles the same as murderers in the congregation?

    Does it mean telling a wife that she has to forgive her husband because it is harder for men to be true sexually to their mate?

    15. The truth of God’s word has the power to do

    what in our behalf?

    15 God’s word of truth is likened to water

    that cleanses. For instance, the apostle

    Paul wrote that the congregation of anointed

    Christians is clean in the sight of God, like a

    chaste bride for Christ, who cleansed it “with

    the bath of water by means of the word . . . ,

    that it should be holy and without blemish.”

    (Eph. 5:25-27) Earlier, Jesus too had spoken

    of the cleansing power of the word of God,

    which he proclaimed. In speaking to his disciples,

    Jesus stated: “You are already clean because

    of the word that I have spoken to you.”

    (John 15:3) Hence, the truth of God’s word

    has power to carry out moral and spiritual

    cleansing. Only if we allow God’s truth to

    cleanse us in this way will our worship be acceptable

    to him.

    COMMENTS

    God’s word of truth does not mean WT publications.

    In 1972 women were told they could not scripturally divorce a husband who was gay or practiced bestiality. In 1983 they reversed that….was their an addition made to the bible?

    *** w72 1/1 p.32 Questions From Readers***

    While both homosexuality and bestiality are disgusting perversions, in the case of neither one is the marriage tie broken. It is broken only by acts that make an individual “one flesh” with a person of the opposite sex other than his or her legal marriage mate.

    *** w83 3/15 p. 30 Honor Godly Marriage!***

    So, then, “fornication” in the broad sense, and as used at Matthew 5:32 and 19:9, evidently refers to a broad range of unlawful or illicit sex relations outside marriage. Porneia involves the grossly immoral use of the genital organ(s) of at least one human (whether in a natural or a perverted way); also, there must have been another party to the immorality—a human of either sex, or a beast

    *** w83 6/1 p. 25 Maintaining God’s View of Sex***

    Surprisingly, some who have become involved in immoral conduct, such as bestiality, did not feel that what they did was really so bad. Yet having sexual connections with an animal is wrong. It is grounds for being disfellowshipped from the Christian congregation.

    16. How can we keep ourselves spiritually and morally

    clean?

    16 Thus, to become workers in God’s harvest,

    we first eliminate all morally and spiritually

    defiling practices from our life. Yes, in

    order to continue to qualify for the privilege

    of being a harvest worker, we must be exemplary

    in upholding Jehovah’s high moral

    and spiritual standards. (Read 1 Peter 1:14-

    16.) Just as we give constant attention to our

    physical hygiene, so we must regularly submit

    to the purifying influence of God’s word

    of truth. This involves reading the Bible and

    attending Christian meetings. It also means

    making a sincere effort to apply God’s reminders

    in our life. Doing so will enable us to

    combat our own sinful tendencies and resist

    the contaminating influences of this world.

    (Ps. 119:9; Jas. 1:21-25) Yes, how comforting

    it is to know that with the help of God’s word

    of truth, we can be “washed clean” of even

    serious sin!—1 Cor. 6:9-11.

    COMMENTS

    Notice how the WTS focuses on physical hygiene and then gets down to the real problems.

    Reading bible

    Attending jw meetings

    Application = but we are all imperfect clause

    Contaminated world = some jws never talk to their neighbors

    Washed clean = but only if the elders deem you “repentant” but they say they don’t forgive sins

    17. In order to remain clean, what Bible counsel

    must we heed?

    17 Do you welcome the cleansing influence

    of God’s word of truth in your life? How

    do you react, for example, when you are alerted

    to the dangers of this world’s degrading

    entertainment? (Ps. 101:3) Do you avoid unnecessary

    fellowship with schoolmates and

    fellow workers who do not share your beliefs?

    (1Cor.15:33) Are you sincere in your efforts

    to overcome personal weaknesses that

    could make you impure in Jehovah’s eyes?

    (Col. 3:5) Do you keep separate from this

    world’s political disputes and the nationalistic

    spirit that permeates many competitive

    sports?—Jas. 4:4.

    COMMENTS

    How many jws realize that at 1 Corinthians 15:33 that Paul was talking about bad influences in the congregation?

    “If I weren’t a witness, I would vote for ------------“

    How many jws spent more time today watching football than at the meeting. How many jws know all the names of the teams, coaches, quarterbacks, etc., but cannot name the 12 apostles?

    18. How will being morally and spiritually clean

    help us to be productive harvest workers?

    18 Your faithful compliance in such matters

    will bring excellent results. Comparing

    his anointed disciples to the branches of a

    vine, Jesus stated: “Every branch in me not

    bearing fruit [my Father] takes away, and

    every one bearing fruit he cleans, that it may

    bear more fruit.” (John 15:2) As you submit to

    the cleansing water of Bible truth, you will

    produce even more fruit.

    COMMENTS

    Compliance???

    So once again the WTS is focusing on “more” fruit rather than take from the talent and see that the first and second produced different amounts but got the identical reward.

    Blessings Now and in the Future

    19. How were Jesus’ disciples blessed in their efforts

    as harvest workers?

    19 The faithful disciples who responded to

    Jesus’ training were later empowered by holy

    spirit at Pentecost 33 C.E. to be witnesses “to

    the most distant part of the earth.” (Acts 1:8)

    They went on to serve as members of the

    governing body, as missionaries, and as traveling

    elders, and they played a key role in

    preaching the good news “in all creation

    that is under heaven.” (Col. 1:23) What

    blessings they reaped, and what joy they

    brought to others!

    COMMENTS

    Notice how the WTS avoids saying that these would be witnesses of Jesus.

    Not much room for important roles by women.

    20. (a) What blessings have you received from having

    a full share in the spiritual harvest? (b) What are

    you determined to do?

    20 Yes, by demonstrating humility, displaying

    diligence, and upholding the high

    standards of God’s Word, we will continue

    to enjoy a full and meaningful share in

    the great spiritual harvest now under way.

    While many suffer the pain and frustration

    that accompany this world’s materialistic

    and pleasure-seeking lifestyle, we experience

    genuine joy and contentment. (Ps.

    126:6) Most important of all, our “labor is

    not in vain in connection with the Lord.”

    (1 Cor. 15:58) The Master of the harvest, Jehovah

    God, will reward us eternally for ‘our

    work and the love we show for his name.’

    —Heb. 6:10-12.

    COMMENTS

    Full and meaningful = hour quota?

    Is the great spiritual harvest underway or did it end in 1914 as Russell said?

    WORLD = materialistic, pleasure-seeking = obviously never been to a hotel of jws at the end of a convention day

    Did Jesus say that his followers would be known by the love they showed God’s name?

    (John 13:34-35) 34 I am giving YOU a new commandment, that YOU love one another; just as I have loved YOU, that YOU also love one another. 35 By this all will know that YOU are my disciples, if YOU have love among yourselves.”

    Do You Recall?

    As you strive to have a full share in the

    harvest work . . .

    · ? Why is it essential to display humility?

    · ? How can you cultivate and maintain

    · diligence?

    · ? Why is it important to keep morally

    · and spiritually clean?

    OPENING COMMENTS

    How many jws know that Russell taught that the harvest started in 1874 and was to end in 1914; or that they were only harvesting anointed; that it was the infrastructure of the world that would be destroyed but humans would survive to be taught and live on the earth?

    Perhaps because they do not have the spirit, next week “THE SPIRIT SEARCHES INTO…THE DEEP THINGS OF GOD.”

    Love Blondie

  • Bonnie_Clyde
    Bonnie_Clyde

    The Lord, through his "faithful and wise servant" now states to us, "Let us cover our territory four times in six months." That becomes our organization instructions and has the same binding force on us that his statement to the Logos had when he said, "Let us make man in our image."

    The above quote from the 7-1-43 WT shows what having a "full share" in the ministry meant back then (this was in the midst of WWII). The end was so close....

  • drawcad_1
    drawcad_1

    thanks, Blondie. Love the post.

  • WingCommander
    WingCommander

    The correct title of this article should read, "The beatings will continue until the average hours increases."

  • hoser
    hoser

    It never ceases to amaze me the mind games they play.

    Paragraph 10: we know everyone has limitations

    Paragraph 11: But look at sister Selmira in Brazil single mom, low paying job, no car

    Look at her she can fit pioneering into her life whats your problem you lazy *

  • hoser
    hoser

    continued

    you lazy b**t**ds look at this lady in Brazil why can't you do it too.

    Strawman alert in the last para graph

    While many suffer the pain and frustration

    that accompany this world’s materialistic

    and pleasure-seeking lifestyle, we experience

    genuine joy and contentment.

    as if the kids that get to go to the amusement park on Saturday morning are having a bad time while our kids are content to be door knocking and don't wish they were somewheres else.

  • nancy drew
    nancy drew

    I hate this stuff!

    all these fictitious witnesses in impossible circumstances who pioneer and are so happy. The implication is what about you?

    All those loaded terms negligent attitude, appreciative heart, compliance, don't think demanding unreasonable.

    It all just makes me sick

  • hoser
    hoser

    nancy:

    have you ever noticed that all these experiences of these super people are in a far off land where no one can verify their existence. I wonder if in the Brazil edition of the Watchtower it had an experience about "Lisa" in California whos husband left her destitute but she managed somehow????

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    First, they start with the talents. Since when do the slaves owe the master anything more than to return the talents intact? Suppose the economy turned bad, and those investing the talents took a bath instead of doubling their money. What would the master think then, when the one that hid the talent was the only one to have it all intact? And no wonder this slave was fearful--he was being used as property, and had the sense of that unlike the first 2 slaves.

    In paragraph 11, it makes an interesting comment. They describe a "sister" who had harsh limitations. For starters, I am thinking this whole thing was embellished or totally made up. And even if it wasn't, what would have been the reward? This "sister" would have suffered in destitution after years of pio-sneering, and died that way. The family would have also suffered, not having adequate means. They would have to take care of the mother in her old age, leading them to a likely early death in destitution themselves--and with the satisfaction that they produced precisely nothing of any value. All a waste--imagine doing this all your life, only to realize you could have been a million times more productive had you simply posted the message online and let 3 or 4 billion people see it all at once.

    I, for one, do not call it a blessing to do all the work and watch Jehovah (Him, of all beings, does not deserve any benefit), the Washtowel Slaveholdery, or the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger get all the benefits. If I am not going to see value in the amount of the opportunity cost I am running up, I am not going to spend the time or money on it. And, since the witlesses do the deadest works of all (recruiting others to do exactly the same useless work), I see no reason to join in this harvest when it could all be gathered in 15 minutes with a single well-worded online post.

  • miseryloveselders
    miseryloveselders

    I really hate the way they describe everyone's emotions. There are days I cringe at going to meetings because some days I just don't have the patience to hear people's sobb stories. The same with my phone ringing and I can see who it is on the caller id. There's people I avoid working with in field service because they mentally and emotionally exhaust me by the time I'm done hearing them whine and complain for an hour or two. I'd venture to say there's plenty of JWs who are very unhappy. Myself being one of them. So to see a WT article telling me otherwise really irritates me. These articles with ficticious examples of happy people really adds insult to injury to a huge percentage of JWs who are miserable. There'

    Another aspect that irritates me is the pressure these articles apply in an attempt to get people to pioneer. I don't know what's happening in other countries but here in the States, its rare to see anybody convert. Its the biggest waste of time being in field service. The apathy is extremely discouraging. When I'm out in field service and run into "conversation stoppers", I don't even try any more. Why bother. At the same time when I view publisher record cards, the one thing I find ironic is that the publisher averaging 9 hours a month is having the same rate of success as the pioneers. At that point I have to ask what purpose does spending 70 hours a month in the field accomplish if your results equal that of someone putting in 9 hours a month?

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