Just like drinking and driving don't mix, philosophy and physics don't mix.
Stephen Hawking on God and creation of the Universe
by Terry 32 Replies latest members politics
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BurnTheShips
Philosophy underpins Physics. It precedes it, also.
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Mall Cop
The universe is the total of that which exists, not merely the earth or the stars or the galaxies, but everything. Obviously there can be no such thing as the "cause" of the universe.
Is the universe then unlimited in size? No. Everything which exists is finite, including the universe.
What then, you ask, is outside the universe, if it is finite? This question is invalid. The phrase"outside the universe" has no referent.
The universe is everything. "Outside the universe" stands for 'that that which is where everything isn't." There is no such place.
There isn't even nothing "out there", there is no out there.
AYN RAND.
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Mall Cop
Is God the creator of the universe? There can be no creation of something out of nothing. There is no nothing.
AYN RAND
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Mall Cop
Has Stephen Hawking been reading Ayn Rand?
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BurnTheShips
Interesting, MallCop. Really.
If Universe means "all that is," then it has to include all that is.
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Pistoff
Hawking is only saying that God is not necessary, that the discoveries allow the existing, observable universe to have developed without him.
The existence of God is not a falsifiable concept, and I don't think that is what Hawking is trying to do.
He is saying, it is explainable without God, as seen by the great number of extrasolar planets; we are not unique.
The idea of no God used to bother me; what bothers me more now is the attempt to smother science, or scream it down, by those who desperately need there to be a God to be happy, or to explain evil, or to hope for life after death.
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Pistoff
Philosophy underpins Physics. It precedes it, also.
What does that mean? How does philosophy underpin a field where measurements are the key?
How does philosophy measure anything? I am puzzled.
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Terry
What does that mean? How does philosophy underpin a field where measurements are the key?
How does philosophy measure anything? I am puzzled.
Philosophy gives us epistemology: What do we know and How do we know it. The tool of measurement is man; rational thought, logic and non-contradiction.
Without man there would be no need to measure.
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moshe
This creation or no creation arguing has been going on for centuries. Man can't solve life's paradoxes, so it is the same with this one. We will never figure out what happened to start life on Earth- but man will be around when human life ceases to walk on the Earth,,,,, just like Big bad T-Rex found out, God won't help you in the end.
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The Crocodile Dilemma is an unsolvable problem in logic.[1] The premise states that a crocodile who has stolen a child promises the father that his son will be returned if and only if he can correctly predict what the crocodile will do.
The transaction is logically smooth (but unpredictable) if the father guesses that the child will be returned, but a dilemma arises for the crocodile if he guesses that the child will not be returned. In the case that the crocodile decides to keep the child, he violates his terms: the father's prediction has been validated, and the child should be returned. However, in the case that the crocodile decides to give back the child, he still violates his terms, even if this decision is based on the previous result: the father's prediction has been falsified, and the child should not be returned. The question of what the crocodile should do is therefore paradoxical, and there is no justifiable solution.[2][3][4]