How does a person move up in the WTS?

by Libelle 17 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  life is to short

  I was an elders wife for 22 of my 23 and half years of marriage, the best way to move up for a guy in this religion is to brown nose big time. Find out who the lead elder is, not always the PO but the elder who is truly in charge at the hall and suck up to him big time. In my hall it is an attorney elder who is a tax attorney he is the one in charge and everyone follows his lead not the PO. Suck up to ALL the CO's. As your husbands wife he may ask you to make dinner for the "friends" when someone to impress comes to the hall. When I was a teenager I saw a MS do this. He MADE his wife have dinner ready and invited over everyone to suck up, and it worked for awhile until they got divorced, though the wife was a jerk in her own right too (another story).

  My husband never did really brown nose which I was very thankful for thus he is not an elder now which I am very very very thankful for. He made his stand with the baby rapists in the hall. Another thing is when you see horrible things going on you must look the other way and say Jehovah is allowing it for some reason and I will not stand up against evil because Jehovah is using the sprit appointed elders to handle rape so if the elders are allowing babies to be raped then he can fix their minds in the new system and I will look the other way.

  You might tell I am pissed!

  I have seen MS's move up so fast by just brown nosing CO's it would make your head spin. When I was first married there was a young father who's wife was not a JW but they made him a MS it was in my sister hall so I do not know everything that happened but what helped him was that he brought his babies to the hall, he had like three under the age of five and one was not even a year old. His wife let him bring them, that really worked to his favor as all the elders felt he was trying so hard the poor poor man with an unbelieving wife trying so hard with his children. Do not do that the Kingdom is not a safe place for children especially! I repeat do not let your husband take you children to the KH you do not know who the child rapists are and probably not even all the elders do. My husband did not know we had a level 3 sex offender in the book study and my husband let the sex offender old a baby not knowing, I flipped out when I found out and my husband was totally blind sided he truly was not told. When he found out he hit the roof thus he is not an elder. My husband even got into trouble for telling the elder who's baby was being held by the rapist, it is a sick religion baby rapists are held in high regard.

  Also dressing like the top elders and CO's. Our CO has started to wear bow ties he looks like a clown really he dose bright red bow ties with a blue suit or bright yellow ties, now all the sucker upers are wearing these stupid ties. OH MY GOD does it look like a clown ship.

  I just cannot believe how stupid these people are do they not see themselves. One sucking up MS in his 70's has started to wear the bow ties, he looks like an idiot but he is dying to be an elder. The CO is only in his late 40's who wears bow ties like that.

  I am sorry I have not ranted about this religion for a while but I hate the way the hide child molesters as you can see.

  LITS
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  Girlie

  Kiss the right ass.
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  MMXIV

  Like chess there are plenty of ways to play the game. Some of my suggestions:

  1) Never do more than you can sustain in the long term. It's about being regular and potentially improving each and every year - if you start too quickly the only way is down. You'll be mirroring the WTS - slow regular growth.

  2) Don't pioneer, just auxiliary pioneer once a year but do it during the CO visit for maximum exposure. No need to do lots of hours the rest of the year, just turn up to lots of groups and make up a generous report. Ask to work with the elders on FS and make sure you ask their advice on stuff (it's always the easiest FS cos the elders will keep driving round in the cars making sure the flock are busy).

  3) Answer at each WT and get your answer in early (so you can daydream for the rest of the meeting) preferably mentioning Ceder Point Ohio or something that shows you value the history of the organisation. Be sure to answer on the topic of how hard elders work and how long suffering their wives are.

  4) Ask the elders if there is any help they need - i.e. if there are any weak ones who they think you would be able to take on FS. They won't lumber you with the convicted pedo - just someone who is probably lurking on JWN that'll you'll get on really well with.

  5) Name drop. When at FS groups answer up by saying "I was out the other day with Elder X and he used a really successful presentation" - do it when elders or when the CO is around. Ensure you give all the elders equal mention per annum.

  6) Give talks. Be reliable and make them interesting. Always relay a stunning fact about nature that will stick in the mind of an elder afterwards. Ensure you do not swear accidently from the platform.

  7) Any duty you are given, like doing the mic's - don't screw up. Don't check out sisters, married or single, especially if they're an elder's daughter or wife. There's no way to disguise a boner when walking down the isle.

  8) Turn up 15 minutes early to meetings. Better be a bit early often than very early some days and late others. You can get away with leaving quickly afterwards if you've got there early and already done the rounds.

  9) When you chat to people at the hall keep it brief - 15 one minute conversations are better than 1 fifteen minute conversation. This is also for self preservation - will save you getting stuck with one of those munters who'll bore the pants off you.

  10) Don't ever mention JWN, keep your porn stashed away, don't get spotted in a red light district, at the races or boozing.

  This may not be the fastest way to eldership but 10 ways to do it without too much effort.

  MMXIV
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  Emma

  the elders will keep driving round in the cars making sure the flock are busy).

  I read this and saw chickens running around clucking, not sheep. But that's what they're like, right up to the beheading.

  And I agree; do not let husband take the kids to the hall. Some people will be nice but there will be others that will feel free to spank them if they feel it's necessary! If he's with you on Saturdays, that's a great thing; he won't be an "example" in field circus on the weekends.
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  Libelle

  LITS, well, one thing he can't do it make me do anything. The most he did was about a year ago would host regular get togethers with some "friends" and well that was all his baby, the cooking, cleaning, set-up, all of it. We have an unusual marriage by regular standards and probably even more so by JW standards. We don't fit into gender roles too well, which I think sometimes, now, is a problem with him.

  As for the kids going to the KH, well I have no call on it with my steps, and we've "made a deal" with our youngest, we split her time between the KH and my UU church. I have no way around it at this point. But what you and others tell me does bring up a good deal of concern.

  MMXIV, your list would be hysterical if it weren't true.

  7) Any duty you are given, like doing the mic's - don't screw up. Don't check out sisters, married or single, especially if they're an elder's daughter or wife. There's no way to disguise a boner when walking down the isle.

  Hahah, I take it this is one of the many tasks women are not allowed to do on the result of lacking a certain "appendage." That's one thing I don't even worry about with The Mr - him checking out the sisters and such, for one it's never been a problem (and hell, I don't mind him looking at other women, he's not dead), and for two, well let's just say that I'm pretty sure he gets more from his Pagan wife than he'd ever get from a JW sister (if we ever split and he ever remarried, that is). ;)

  8) Turn up 15 minutes early to meetings. Better be a bit early often than very early some days and late others. You can get away with leaving quickly afterwards if you've got there early and already done the rounds.

  Oh, he usually gets there early as he can, and stays late if he can. He enjoys the social stuff, he's always willing to help clean, etc...

  10) Don't ever mention JWN, keep your porn stashed away, don't get spotted in a red light district, at the races or boozing.

  I don't think he knows JWN exists, thankfully... and well the others have never been an issue for us, so I guess more kudos to him, praise J-god. hahah

  It does bother me that he takes the kids to the KH. I don't know what I can do about that. And yeah - what is it with JW's and spanking kids? Ugh.
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  donuthole

  1.) Be a man.

  2.) Pioneer.

  If you are not a pioneer the highest level you can reasonably hope to attain is elder.
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  carvin

  having a lot of money, & kissing butt

  or- having a lot of money, & kissing a lot of butt
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  OnTheWayOut

  Kissing up to all the elders and especially to the C.O. are the best way. Be present on every weekend group for field recruiting and stay out as long as any elders do (which isn't that long). Life is Too Short was right about figuring who the lead elder is and especially kissing up to him. Having the wife (yes, it has to be the wife) prepare lovely dinners for that elder and his family can lead to the chance to preparing lovely dinners for the C.O. and his wife. Put a $50 bill in a nice card for the C.O. saying you appreciate all of the sacrifices of him and his wife and wanted to help out.

  Pioneering helps, but is not necessary. Most working men won't be able to pioneer unless they lie about their "time." Just put more than 10 hours on your field recruiting report and if you have children, make sure the elders know that you study with them. Work with the elders in door-to-door and have at least 5 "return visits" to go on at any time, whether they are productive or not- they can be people you left mags with or that just said they were busy and you remind them that you were trying a different time.

  Underlining your WT mag. and commenting is extremely important.
  
  Prepare for some of the parts in the Theocratic School and volunteer impromptu talks when someone doesn't show up.

  Yes, several brief conversations at the Hall are great. Not only the elders, but the elderly and the children. It doesn't matter what small talk you say, it just matters that you approach kids, elderly, elders. Try not to be too "playful" with the adults- try saying how you loved some point in the meeting or the mags or something.

  Buy a minivan for taking groups in recruiting- if that's not practical, at least have a decent 4-door car. Never mention college or fun vacations or weekend activities outside of the Borg.