How to explain blood fractions are still blood to someone who doesn't agree...

by NiceDream 21 Replies latest watchtower medical

  • NiceDream

    Does anyone have a good analogy or something I could use to help explain to my husband that blood fractions are still blood? He feels that it gets to a point where it's not blood anymore.


  • asilentone

    Show him a picture of a sandwich and tell him if you cannot eat the ham, take that ham out of the sandwich.

  • TD

    Even the JW parent organization slips every now and then and acknowledges that fractions are still "blood." For example, the August 8, 1993 issue of Awake! states that the hepatitis-B vaccine is made from blood:

    "One other active immunization deserves attention because it is the only active immunization made from blood. it is the hepatitis-B vaccine called Hetavax-B." (p 25)

    What they were referring to here is the HBsAg surface antigen -- a very, very small fraction.

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  • AwSnap

    I have a patient who works for the blood transfusion unit at our local hospital. She told me that there is NO way to get these fractions without getting them from blood. If there were, why don't jw's get them elsewhere?

    Also, talk about screwing with the Scriptures. When we bring up how the Bible doesnt actually forbid Birthdays, the Witnesses say: "oh, but the insinuation is there. We shouldn't screw with what the Scriptures say (<----ok, OBviously paraphrased that part). So why is it different with the blood issue?

    ps....if you read the whole bible, or even the sections regarding the whole "NO BLOOD" stuff, you'll see that it's not even talking about human blood, and that Jesus believed in breaking the rules if there was a life at stake

  • AwSnap

    ps...this comes straight from your REASONING BOOK, page 70



    A truly marvelous fluid that circulates in the vascular system of humans and most multicelled animals, supplying nourishment and oxygen, carrying away waste products, and playing a major role in safeguarding the body against infection. So intimately is blood involved in the life processes that the Bible says “the soul of the flesh is in the blood.” (Lev. 17:11) As the Source of life, Jehovah has provided definite instructions regarding the use to which blood may be put.


    are commanded toabstain from blood

    Acts 15:28, 29: “The holy spirit and we ourselves [the governing body of the Christian congregation] have favored adding no further burden to you, except these necessary things, to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled [or, killed without draining their blood] and from fornication. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!” (There the eating of blood is equated with idolatry and fornication, things that we should not want to engage in.)


    flesh may be eaten,but not the


    Gen. 9:3, 4: “Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you. As in the case of green vegetation, I do give it all to you. Only flesh with its soul—its blood—you must not eat.”

    Any animal used for food should be properly bled. One that is strangled or that dies in a trap or that is found after it has died is not suitable for food. (Acts 15:19, 20; compare Leviticus 17:13-16.) Similarly, any food to which whole blood or even some blood fraction has been added should not be eaten.

    _______________ Ask your hubby why it is different with transfusions

  • asilentone

    wow, a good find!

  • Lozhasleft

    Analogy: Milk - if you take some of its fat out its still milk?

    Tomato - if you only eat the seeds its still tomato you're eating?

    Best I can do its middle of the night here, sorry !

    Loz x

  • voodoo lady
    voodoo lady

    Considering they use all sorts of silly illustrations, you could always use one in return. For example, if you abstain from dairy products, you generally avoid dairy products. Casein is a protein from milk, but just because it's called something different, it's still - you guessed it - a dairy product. Likewise, blood fractions are blood products. If it ceased to be blood, it wouldn't need to come from blood.

    Also, how about pointing out the hypocrisy in accepting blood fractions into their body, but refusing to associate with (and condemning) blood donors, when their beloved fractions could come from no place else.

  • agonus

    To take the sandwich analogy a step further:

    You can eat all the bread you want.

    You can eat all the ham you want.

    You can eat all the cheese you want.

    But you cannot, under any circumstances, have a single bite of a ham-and-cheese sandwich... not even to save your (or your child's) life.

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