Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-13-10 WT Study (HOLY SPIRIT)

by blondie 32 Replies latest jw friends

  • BluesBrother

    I was at the study.....It was the prospect of a ruined weekend at home with Sister Blues that prevented me from commenting on the crass stupidity and the blind sheep like mentality of them all.....So discretion won, over valour.....

    To start the meeting they sang one of the new songs ( I don't sing) 116 "The Light Gets Brighter", chorus

    Our path now becomes ever brighter, we walk in the full light of day

    Behold what our God is revealing, He guides us each step of the way

    So it is "from God" ...Was it not from God when they gave the last explanation, or two? Does God mislead them ? There is no other conclusion if it were from God

    They remind us in para 12 that "By being obedient and loyal to the direction received from the earthly part of God’s organization, you show that you are keeping pace with Jehovah’s celestial chariot and are working in harmony with his holy spirit.

    So you had better accept it, or be disloyal to God ! We have said a lot about the generation comments - only a sheep would believe it.....suffice to say that I am bemused that one generation of observers of 1914 and the next generation of overlappers, still equals one generation....??? No matter, para 14 reminds us that "The tribulation must be near "

    BTW the congo discussed the box that listed other "Increased light" in recent years. They all said that they had not known those things. It seems that comments in the mags pass them by unless they are highlighted in colour. Perhaps they should keep up with us on J W N !


  • sherah

    Thanks Blondie, your comments are dead on.

    I'm visiting family this weekend and went to their meeting. The tone for the study with one of the songs "Light Get Brighter". This Sunday was no different from any other Sunday. Although i didn't sense any shock or confusion when the 'nu lite' paragraphs were read, no one raised their hand to comment on them either. Two elders gave their comments, short and to the point. They covered the 'nu lite' box and moved on.

  • Mary
    Although we cannot measure the exact length of "this generation," we do well to keep in mind several things about the word "generation": It usually refers to people of varying ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period; it is not excessively long; and it has an end. (Ex. 1:6) How, then, are we to understand Jesus' words about "this generation"? He evidently meant that the lives of the anointed who were on hand when the sign began to become evident in 1914 would overlap with the lives of other anointed ones who would see the start of the great tribulation. That generation had a beginning, and it surely will have an end. The fulfillment of the various features of the sign clearly indicate that the tribulation must be near. By maintaining your sense of urgency and keeping on the watch, you show that you are keeping up with advancing light and following the leadings of holy spirit. - Mark 13:37.

    And as we have all discussed on here the last few months, it is well noted (at least by us) that whoever wrote this tripe could not provide one, single scripture to support this nonsense. Of course, the word "evidently", covers a multitude of false predictions made by these goons, and is quickly discarded whenever their prophecies fail to materialize. Which happens 100% of the time. It's easy for many JWs to dismiss the Borg's failed predictions in days gone by, and accept this noo lite as being the final 'refinement' in bible truths. Yet how many of us remember 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 years ago, that the rank and file were just as confident when they read the following nonsense in their day:

    "Despite the doubts of so many, from what Jesus said about his coming, it can be said with confidence that most persons who read this article, and millions of others, will live to see that earth-shaking event take place." ------w 1975 1/1 p. 9 Will You Live to See Christ's "Coming"?

    "Yes, in the initial fulfillment, "this generation" evidently meant the same as it did at other times-the contemporaneous generation of unbelieving Jews. That "generation" would not pass away without experiencing what Jesus foretold. As Williamson commented, this proved true in the decades leading up to Jerusalem's destruction, as an eyewitness historian, Josephus, described. In the second or larger fulfillment, "this generation" would logically also be the contemporaneous people. As the article beginning on page 16 establishes, we need not conclude that Jesus was referring to a set number of years making up a "generation."-----w 1995 11/1 p. 31 Questions From Readers

    "So when, on the Mount of Olives, he again spoke of "this generation," he evidently did not mean the entire race of Jews throughout history; nor did he mean his followers, even though they were "a chosen race." (1 Peter 2:9) Neither was Jesus saying that "this generation" is a period of time."----w 1999 5/1 p. 11 par. 12 "These Things Must Take Place"

    The Writing Department has made more embarassing gaffs than the Duchess of York, and it is incredible that anyone still buys their bullshit at all. I believe that, while they'll never admit it, more and more of the rank and file are uncomfortably aware that "this generation" has completely lost it's meaning, at least from the WT's point of view, and that they will in fact, grow old and die in this "System of Things". The Borg is desperately trying to stem the fallout of their disastrous change in the Nov 1995 WT that shocked so many and was the beginning of the fallout they now have.

    For all the times the WTS have painted themselves into a corner with their ridiculous predictions, it is worth noting that they have never issued an apology. Not once. No matter how devastating their lies had on millions of people, they will never accept responsibility for their screw-ups and simply put it all down to "noo lite". It should be interesting to see how long it takes before they go and change what Jesus "evidently" meant by "this generation" yet again.

    Truly nauseating.

  • quietlyleaving

    the generation paragraph was met with silence at our hall too. The study conducter helpfully suggested thatit may be best to read the answer from the paragraph and so someone did.

    I got 2 answers in and was able to share a couple of my favourite points from here.

  • nancy drew
    nancy drew

    Oh how I hate these expressions!

    we need not speculate how

    we have every reason to believe

    we do well to keep fully attuned

  • Open mind
    Open mind

    Great job as usual Blondie.

    Here's an observation I had on Paragraph 17:


    "As we have seen, Jehovah used his spirit in the past to protect individuals as well as the nation of Israel as a whole. Hence, we have every reason to believe that he will use that same powerful spirit to protect his people during the approaching great tribulation."


    Are they saying that individual JW's should expect direct divine intervention in their personal behalf? Uh, no.


    " We need not speculate about exactly how Jehovah will care for us then."


    Bottom line: Fluffy, feel good, vague statements that can't be pinned down one way or the other. And if you dare to speculate about whether or not Jehovah will save your individual butt from persecutors, you're doing something that you "need not" do.


  • Open mind
    Open mind

    I wonder if it would be appropriate to share this "experience" in a comment regarding paragraph 17.

    *** w83 5/15 p. 10 Loyal Youths Martyred for God’s Kingdom ***
    Elmer and Alex had been found, their bodies riddled with bullets. There were signs that they had been tortured before they were finally killed. It is believed that one of the subversive groups tried to convince them to join their group in warring against the government in power. However, the boys, being Jehovah’s Witnesses, would not break their Christian neutrality by joining such a group. Apparently for this reason they were executed. They were two more martyrs in the long line of faithful Christians who have died for refusing to become involved in worldly politics. They obeyed God rather than men.—John 17:16; 18:36; Acts 5:29.


    In the light of the experience above, what kind of concrete meaning is a JW to take from a statement like:

    " he will use that same powerful spirit to protect his people during the approaching great tribulation."

    Meaningless on a personal level. If a JW is possibly about to be killed for his faith, they have no reason to think Jehovah is going to miraculously intervene.


  • XPeterX

    Thanx Blondie

  • llbh

    Surely overlap and overlay are different aren't they? therefore if something overlaps another, the part that is overlapped is smaller than that which it is overlapping it or being overlapped, yes? QED even using the tortuous reasoning of the wts, this can at the very most add another 10 years. The generation that saw WW2 has largely passed let alone the generation that saw WW1. This is utter nonsense and the WTS know it, which leaves them culpable of a huge fraud.


  • booby

    The jw's generated there own definition of generation, and you are going to suggest that they cannot do the same for overlapping. Come on now, this is jehubers org your talkin bout here.

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