Hello Fellow apostate UK poster,
I haven't posted for ages but browse the board from time to time, for anything jucy!
Freeborg where in the UK are you? I'm in South Yorkshire.
qwerty
Anti-JW leaflet campaign
by freeborg 44 Replies latest jw friends
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terafera
This is in regards to a post by 'anewperson'. At first I found it very interesting and was amazed at the wealth of information that is in refute to the way JW's believe. But then I looked up the scriptures quoted and found that some of them, most, do not support the sentence in which they are mentioned in. First example,
Christ said families would be divided by some members
1 Cor. 6:1,2- "Does anyone of you that has a case against the other dare to go to court before unrighteous men, and not before the holy ones? Or do you not know that the holy ones will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you unfit to try very trivial matters?"
doing good & others doing wrongs but never ever advocated destruction of families. 1
Cor 6:1 only says judge "trivial" things as in business, James 2:4-13 calls judging harmful,
& Paul says the "majority" (2 Cor 2:6), followed his advice to shun a wrongdoer, meaning
a minority chose not to & yet he nowhere condemns them. So we ask why the formal
Judicial Committes destroying families via numerous formal renderings of disfellowshipment
(shunning)?If you read further you will see this scripture is pertaining to legal matters between brothers and lawsuits. It is not talking about judging a person on acts of sins, such as disfellowshipping offenses. There is a difference.
Acts 15:20 says abstain from blood but 1 Sam 14:32-5 says Saul's army ate
1 Sam 14:32-35- "So they told Saul saying, 'Look! The people are sinning against God by eating along with the blood.' At this he said, 'YOU HAVE DEALT TREACHEROUSLY. First of all, roll a great stone to me.' "
unBLED meat to not starve & no verses show God not forgiving them plus Christ (Mat 7)
says God also forgave David's eating temple holy bread & that God wants Mercy Not
Sacrifice.This scripture goes on to say how he built an altar and properly fixed the meal. He did not partake in the bloody meal or did he approve of it. How does this scripture show that eating blood is okay? If anything it just makes the anti-blood case....
The May 22, 1994 Awake tells of 26 JW kids who died without transfusions, &
JW's stand by the use of Acts 15:20 to 'abstain from blood'.
by common sense in massive bleeding as in car wrecks blood expanders won't save lives
(ajwrb.org). An estimated 3 JWs die daily earthwide from the WTS’s unscriptural policy
(Blood On The Altar)! Why should our kids, grandkids etc be endangered?Christ was likely born about Oct 2, so why ignore he was conceived 9 months before
Jesus celebrated the Festival of Lights, but you have to remember, this was a holiday supported by God for Christians. Christmas has pagan origins and probably wouldnt have been celebrated back then either, for the same reasons that JW's dont now.
meaning late Dec? Why insist Christmas is from the pagan Saturnalia when John 10:22-3
says Christ also celebrated the Festival of Dedication or Lights, i.e. Hannukah, which first
began Dec 25 but has varied since because lunar-based?Don't Job 1:3, 3:1 and 3:3 (you
Now I really am confused why you used this scripture.
must read all 3 verses) show Job's kids celebrated birthdays?
Job 3:1- "It was after this that Job opened his mouth and began to call down evil upon his day. Job now answered and said: "Let the day perish on which I came to be born, also the night that someone said, 'an ablebodied man has been conceived."So... it is clear here that he was DAMNING his birthday.. his daughters were not celebrating it!!!!????!!!????
Didn't angels celebrate
A JW would say surely there was cause for celebration but the day of Christmas is steeped in false religion and pagan practices that have nothing to do with Christ's birth.
Christ's birth?Santa is from Nicholas, a Christian, not a wizard or pagan god.
St. Nicholas is a saint. JW's dont believe in saints or the background of Chris Kringle.Why call compromises holidays that attacked & replaced paganisms?
Huh?Doesn’t Colossians 12:16
Colassians 2:16 (There was no chapter 12)-"Let no man judge you in eating or drinking......or of an observance of the new moon or the sabbath.."
says let none judge you about a holiday.This scripture also shows to be talking of celebrations that were celebrated by Christians at the time and were no longer covered by the Old Law. Yet no one was to be judged if they still partook of them.
I do not attend meetings and am not a JW. But I strive for accuracy and fairness. To twist scriptures to fit your agenda is no better than what you claim Witnesses do.
Tera
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mark smith
HI THERE i have just written a JW leaflet and have had 1000 printed this week i would gladdly post you as many copies as you want and we would even help you give them out at conventions halls etc heres some of the comments in the a4 leaflet GODBLESS and keep contending for truth may GOD be found TRUE but every man a LIAR
IN jesus mark
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mark smith
we have wrote this leaflet this week if you would like copies sending please write or even help giving them out we will help no problem we are from nottingham and are christians. but will we travel to conventions etc if you want to arrange a out reach we are here waiting
GODbless you mark and nicolaWe are not writing this leaflet to judge, condemm
Or hurt the feelings of current or ex JWS we cannot really examine all the evidence put forth in full or proper detail just in a simple leaflet But as Christians we have made sure that the evidence we have used is fact and true. Of which all watchtower quotes used can be obtained on request we have used the biblical stand point for the case put forth which brings protection to Gods people. The bible tells usto make sure of all things testing them against the word of God. The scriptures are our safe guard against all false doctrines and prophets which have bought about so much disgrace to our Holy God and delusion to an on looking world.
Jesus said that the church would be built on a rock of truth; He went on to say that there would arise false prophets in the last days that would mislead many. He warned us not to listen or go to them. From this stand point
We will look into the rock of foundation the JWS have built their church and established their doctrines
The founder was (Charles Taze Russel-1852-1916) Russell was influenced by the Adventist leader NH Barber and borrowed his believes regarding the end of the world and that Christ would return in 1874 and that 1914 would be the year God will destroy the world, which is (called the battle of Armageddon) 1914 would be the beginning of the messianic millennium or 1000 year reign of Christ. Of which He would bring in the restoration of the new earth
But when it did not happen he shifted the dates to 1915 and then again to 1916 which was the year that Russell died .He left behind a very confused and disillusioned flock as you can imagine all that they were left with was smashed dreams caused through the false prophesies and wrong date setting.
(For further prove that Russell stated that the battle of Armageddon would take place in 1914 read (THE TIME IS AT HAND P.101)
Only now to cover the false prophecy did the watchtower say that it was only the presence (parrusia) and not literal but that’s not what Russell taught.
But in 1916 Joseph Rutherford (1869-1942) took over the organisation.
He rallied Russell’s converts together with the threat of armageden AGAIN breaking at any moment to frighten and intimidate the flock with fear then he to decide to have a go at his prophetic skills to gain more converts so he wrote a book in 1917 called (The Finished Mystery) on pages 485 and 258 he stated his first direct prophecy he claimed
That in1918 God would destroy all churches with all there followers and members also in 1920 all the world would fall into a state of anarchy and that only the people who was in his organisation would be saved of this wrath of God and His arm of terrifying judgement,
this tactic certainly worked and he gained many converts but only when none of these prophecies came to pass people started to ask questions the numbers started to dwindle so to keep his flock from deserting him he wrote yet another book called
(Millions Now Living Will Never Die) on page 89 –90 again he started his hand of prophesying this time he moved the goal post from 1914 and claimed that in 1925 the messianic reign and age will take place (watchtower 1924,p.211). Again when this failed to materialise to keep the flock from asking any questions. He also claimed that the patriarch saints Abraham Isaac Jacob etc.would return to reign on earth. A mark of his true prophecies and authority. The date was set 1925.Then in 1929 Rutherford had a house built in san dieago, calfornia for them to live in even though they were 4 years late he and the watchtower still paid to have this mansion built the name of which was (beth-Sarim) I.e. house of the princes. Again
They never turned up. But guess what? He himself moved in. Below is a direct quote from rutherford,
The year of 1925 is here. With great expectation Christians have looked forward to this year. Many have expected that ALL members of the body of Christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year, (watchtower, jan.1 1925,p.3) There are so many other false prophecies and doctrines to many to lists on a leaflet these are but just a few if you would like to know more on what this sect bases there believes we would gladly send you free of charge an information pack all from the watchtower resources so you can look up for your self to see if these things are so. Do not be miss lead at least look them up. We are not trying to break down your faith but merely exposing false teachings and cover-ups of the watchtower God expects His people to seek for truth. (HE is the Truth) man made religions have done so much damage to the church and marred and bought about disgrace to Gods holy standard and kingdom on earth.
Summing Up
These 2 self-prophesying founders (Russell-Rutherford)
Of the JW Movement have based their faith on their own lies and have misled millions with there false prophecies. They used brain washing fear tactics using the threat of Armageddon to intimidate there followers Which is still evident today.They were constantly telling them they and they only had the truth and was the open channel to God. Eventually like all brain washed cults people just believe even when truth is shown them they will still not listen. He would tell them that other people were all apostate lost Satan’s children, etc. Which
makes the members frightened to speak out or even question any of its believe system. Please read the below they are few quotes of Gods word the bible they will protect you and lead you God not false teachers of religion.
When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD if that thing does not come to pass that man is not from the LORD (The prophet is FALSE
(Deut. ch 18-21-22.)He said false prophets would arise and mislead many DO NOT LISTEN to them especially when they predict using
dates concerning the coming of the Lord.
See (Matthew ch 24-23-31.)
We also have the words of the Lord Jesus just before His ascension to heaven.Lord will you at this time restore the kingdom of God. He said it’s not for you to know the times and the seasons (.Acts ch-1-7).
Jesus said
As to the day or the hour
NO MAN KNOWS
(Mathew 24 –36.) With all this evidence are you going to put it to the back of your mind saying that this is apostate literature or are you going to see if these things are so?If you are genuiely seeking Gods purpose.You will check the quotes for yourself your salvation may depend on it. Remember that Jesus brought truth to the world not lies and would not give His people false hopes and messages
So where did these prophecies come from ??? If they did not come from God.???I would like to say at this moment that Gods people are in all church’s there are genuine followers in all faiths who love God with all there hearts just like you. There is some where for you to go where you will feel at home where you can here the true Gospel
Or if you would like we could send you some free literature on true biblical doctrine to help you find freedom, hope and joy not with the chains of religion but where you can feel free to ask questions and not be shown the door. So don’t let people tell you or have the authority over your Life and eternal destiny please feel free to write to us or email us we look forward to hear your questions and views.
Write to The Way
PO Box6671
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God bless youMark and Nicola smith
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Adonai438
Actually in response to terrafera's response on the issues of blood and holidays I thought I'd leave this bit of info for y'all:
BLOOD
Jw's like to quote Leviticus 17:14 as there proof that anyone that eats blood would be cut off.
They say that this is everlasting cutting off which God will still do today for eating blood.
I think it would do well to read the next verse as well.
Verse 17:15 says that the 'punishment' or command to those that ate blood was taking a bath and washing their clothes and then by evening they were clean.
So, why would God 'eternally cut off' someone now for taking a transfusion if the actual eating of blood in the Old Testament was only punishable of taking a bath? The Old Testament law is much more strict and detailed than new testament teaching so where does it say that people who take blood will be eternally cut off?
It does not say that in the Bible. Yes you should avoid drinking blood but it also says that it is not what goes into a man -ie-foods-that makes him unclean but what comes out- ie-words.
Take this into consideration on the Blood issue.CHRISTMAS
Jws would have the whole world believe that Christmas is an adaptation of a pagan holiday. Jesus celebrated the festival of lights- which is hannukah- even though no where in the Bible is that holiday commanded. It was a holiday that celebrated a work of God even though God did not order it's celebration Jesus seemed to participate without condemning it.
December 25 was chosen as the date to celebrate the Birth of Jesus for a few reasons. First of all it is traditionally held as the time of the incarnation- not the birth. Since the actual birth date is not known early christians had to pick a day. Since Christianity has its roots in Judaism maybe we should be looking there for the answer and not paganism since that was condemned by them. Christians picked Deceber (jewish month Kislev) 25 because that was the exact date of the Temples cleansing. Antiochus desecrated the temple on Dec. 25 and set up worship of his god in it because it was an existing heathen holiday. It is recorded that exactly three years to the day that the temple was cleansed and rededicated. Christians picked this day because of the work of God on that day and the cleansing of the temple being a fitting picture of what Christ came to do. The ultimate cleansing.
The CHristmas tree is also not of pagan origen like JWs would have you believe so e-mail me if further info is needed. :)In Yahwehs service,
Angie