Sorry for the ramble to anyone except OBVES,
I am not gifted with brevity :)
As regards to obves about creation:
So Jesus didn't REALLY make everything- it's just figurtive?
So when do you take the Bible seriously?
When is it actually saying what it said? I guess it's symbolic when it doesn't fit with you doctrine but literal when you think it does.
*incidentally: I did understand your previous posts- they are just incorrect. Don't assume because I don't agree with you that I am unable to comprehend what you are saying. Maybe you didn't understand my replies because aparently you still think there is still more than 1 God despite what the Bible says.
As to many god's argument: It's just plain wrong and blasphemy against God to claim anything is equal to him. You aren't even argueing JW doctrine here because such doctrine is grounds for disfellowshipping. Now you may try to say that is what the trinity does but it does not. I'll again recount what the doctrine of the trinity is because I know JW's doen't neccessarily know it:
There is only one TRUE God, Yahweh, who eternally exists in three persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. These three are separate persons and are not eachother- ie. The father is not the Son and so on. Three persons are one being, God.
It is absolutely sure Jesus was not eyt existing when God started creating the universe from point zero .There was nothing .
If you want to bulid something you must have tools forst and materials to start creating something. Are you saying Jesus was floating in the emptiness with nothing around him ?! It doesn't seem logical at all.
It is an assuption on your part that Yahweh is only the Father. God,Yahweh, was eternally existant before creation. Yes, all three existed eternally. There was nothing besides God. Whats this about tools? If God needed 'tools' how did he make Jesus in your thinking?
Are you saying the Father was 'just floating in the emptiness with nothing around him' ? That's the same statement as if Jesus was just floating. Maybe you think Christians think that Jesus had a body for all eternity. If that's what you mean you are mistaken. Jesus has eternally existed and took on flesh at the incarnation. From there on Jesus has a physical body but he was Spirit before just like the Father and Holy Spirit are now.
You still didn't answer the verses that state Jesus is prayed to- you seem to think that Jesus has to ask the Father to know what people pray about. Where are you deriving that from? I know there is no scripture that says that Jesus has to ask the Father so are you getting that from your assumption that Jesus is not God so he 'can't' know all things? The fact is if he is prayed to in the Bible he must know what we are saying or else why have and do we now pray to him?
Why is Jesus the only mediator between God and Man if he can't even know what we pray? Some mediator! So let me get this staight, We have to pray to the Father to have him tell Jesus what we are praying for so Jesus can mediate for us to the Father? That is not what mediator means.
As to your I Am issue:
I AM capitol or i am lower case is still Yahweh in hebrew- Hebrew is written in either all small OR all capitol- exclusively one or the other. I am writting in ENGLISH though and in English we use capitols for beginning of sentences, names etc.. With or without capitols the Bible still stands true to what alot of us here are trying to share with you. Nothing else in the Bible is called Yahweh except the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. It's true believers will bear the name of God but it's clear they are bearing the name of God- not claiming or being called Yahweh. I've gone over this many gods stance of yours too many times.
So Yahweh is " I AM " using the Englsih language makes it easy to discern the differences. Jesus is " I am" .144000 are "i am".
Like the word lord;
Yahweh is the LORD. Jesus is the Lord, 144000 are lords !!!
Yahweh is GOD, Jesus is God,144000 are gods !!!
I have done so to help you understand how it shoudl be renedered in the Bible in the English language if I were a translator
You are just making up these ways of titling ranks here. You yourself said there are no capitols. There is ONE and ONLY ONE GOD-
I AM is Yahweh who is the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit----a later post will prove this.
The 144,000 are not gods, lords, or i ams. They are NEVER called that in the Bible.
[b]1st Corinthians 8:5:
"For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"), yet for us there is but ONE..."[b/]
Hope you take this into account, if you have questions go ahead- the truth is not hurt by lies, and stay tuned for more posts for you to ponder :)
In Yahweh's Service, Angie