How do you make a JW vanish?
Please grow some humility along with the brain you are going to need to develope if you are to survive and thrive.
The people in this discussion are more researched than you. They are more sincere than you. They love truth more than you. They are smarter than you, and, I daresay, they love people more than you.
When they were witnesses, they gave better answers to defend their faith than you do.
Humility and modesty demands that you shut the fuck up and learn from them.
The other way around is not an option, as you have nothing at this point in your life to offer. That can change, but it is entirely up to you.
and also whose fault is it if the blood contains HIV or some other diese and they suffer their whole lives and then die from that
i am sorry if i offended u in some form and that u feel i am uneducated i feel in my heart i am doing what is right and it is my decision i feel i am more educated because i am not attacking you for what you believe it takes a strong person to stand up to those opposing what u believe jesus stated that his people would be persecuted and put down . so i am sorry for standing up for what i believe in and i am sorry you feel the need to try to stop me
BLOOD FACTS & RULES (FROM THE POSTER)
WHY DO JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES
1945: The doctrine was promulgated in 1945. It was
shortly before the time the religion abandoned
the previous prohibition of immunization. Ini-tially
there was no distinction between whole
blood and various components.
1961 - 2000: Members who willfully received blood
and who did not repent are subject to the Watch-tower
Society’s policy of enforced shunning
(disfellowshipping or disassociation).
1963: Use of serum was also prohibited; this was re-versed
1967: Organ transplants were prohibited; this was
reversed in 1980.
1978: Use of clotting factors for hemophiliacs was
1981: Use of albumin was permitted.
1981: Dr. Lowell Dixon, of the Watchtower Society,
published guidelines for the use of blood and
Jehovah’s Witnesses in JAMA (JAMA 1981;
246:2471). This article set the framework of for-bidden
major components and acceptable minor
components; it also established that one’s own
stored blood cannot be used whereas hemodialy-sis,
heart-lung machine and intraoperative salvage
1984: Bone marrow transplants were permitted.
1997: An internal effort to reform the blood policy
was organized on the internet by dissident
Jehovah’s Witnesses. The first case of peripheral
stem cells transplantation using stored white blood
cell was reported in Archives of Internal Medicine.
This treatment was officially approved by the
Watchtower Society, according to the article.
2000: Any fraction of major blood components were
permitted. This opened up the way to use hemo-globin-
based blood substitutes for Jehovah’s Wit-nesses.
• The Watchtower Society teaches
that the use of blood transfu-sions
and some blood products
violates biblical commands to ab-stain
from [eating] blood.
“But you must not eat meat that has its
lifeblood still in it.”
“None of you may eat blood, nor may an
alien living among you eat blood.”
“It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to
us not to burden you with anything
beyond the following requirements:
You are to abstain from food sacri-ficed
to idols, from blood, from the
meat of strangled animals and from
sexual immorality. You will do well to
avoid these things. Farewell.”
• Jehovah’s Witnesses are required
to reject medically necessary
treatments not approved by the
TEST YOUR KNOWLEDGE -JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES AND BLOOD
(ANSWERS AT THE BOTTOM)
1. TRUE OR FALSE: JWs refuse every blood
2. TRUE OR FALSE: Every JW refuses blood
3. TRUE OR FALSE: JWs have refused blood
transfusion throughout their history.
4. TRUE OR FALSE: JWs refuse kidney and
heart transplants because they contain
5. TRUE OR FALSE: Every JW knows exactly
which blood products and which blood-based
procedures are acceptable.
6. TRUE OR FALSE: JWs who accept blood
transfusions are always punished by the re-ligious
7. TRUE OR FALSE: When JWs sign their AD-VANCE
DIRECTIVE regarding blood refusal, the
religious organization explains all the ben-efits
and risks involved in blood-based treat-ments.
8. TRUE OR FALSE: Since blood donation is
not an act of "taking blood into your body",
JWs are allowed to donate blood.
9. Which of the following blood components
does the Watchtower Society officially allow
JWs to accept?
B. White cells
C. Peripheral blood stem cells
10.What happens if it becomes known that a
JW conscientiously accepted a forbidden
A. He/she will be publicly reproached and
given a bad mark.
B. He/she will be investigated by a judicial
committee, dispelled and shunned by the
family and the community.
C. He/she will be counseled and accepted
as a “spiritually weak.”
Key: 1-False, 2-False , 3- False, 4-False, 5-False ,
6-False, 7- False, 8- False, 9-C, 10-B.
witnesses do accept blood and kidney transplant my friends father had a kidney transplant and was not looked down upon for it infact that is the only reason he is alive but he did not accept blood during the surgery and the witnesses make their own choice to sign the blood cards it is not required
sorry i mean heart and kidney transplants
Do you understand that there is zero protection from blood borne diseases afforded under the WTS's current policies because all components of blood are allowed in some form or other. Factor VIII, for example, was a notorious transmitter of disease until better methods were developed. So the health issue is a non issue. The GB bans red cells, white cells, platelets and whole plasma but lets JWs accept preparations made from these items. So, no protection.
All medical procedures carry risk by the way. Would you reject antibiotics because some people die through using them?
As for the resurrection - imagine that your child died today because she need something that contained red blood cells and you refused. And then next week's WT magazine were to contain "New Light" and allow that particular blood fraction. How would you feel? Would the resurrection hope allow you to make sense of that? Well that has happened time and again as the GB has changed its rules so many times. The resurrection hope is good, but it does not excuse negligent behavior that causes death. Jesus taught that much.
See how they mislead and deceive you - you didn't even know that JWs get no protection from Aids transmitted by blood, did you. But I, as an "apostate" knew that. Go back, please and read the above article from the '65 WT again. So, if a JW gets Aids from Factor VIII will you blame the GB?
Serious stuff, Trisha. Actual lives are at stake not just the feel good of belonging to a cult that does the thinking for you.
ps: at one time organ transplants were prohibited because they were considered cannibalism.
you as an apostate should know that witnesses are protected from aids because of the fact that they dont accept blood transfusions if my child were to die today and new info came out tomorrow i would still believe i would see her again it is not the faith in the GB it is faith in Jehovah and what i feel towards him in my heart i would miss my daughter more than anything but at least i wouldnt have to worry about her getting some diese and suffering for years
"witnesses do accept blood and kidney transplant my friends father had a kidney transplant and was not looked down upon for it infact that is the only reason he is alive but he did not accept blood during the surgery and the witnesses make their own choice to sign the blood cards it is not required"
Trisha I am so happy your friend's father needed this surgery AFTER transplants were deemed acceptable and not before.