who is jesus to jws?

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  • javig


    Arianism developed around 320, in Alexandria Egypt concerning the person of Christ and is named after Arius of Alexandar. For his doctrinal teaching he was exiled to Illyria in 325 after the first ecumenical council at Nicaea condemned his teaching as heresy. It was the greatest of heresies within the early church that developed a significant following. Some say, it almost took over the church.

    Arius taught that only God the Father was eternal and too pure and infinite to appear on the earth. Therefore, God produced Christ the Son out of nothing as the first and greatest creation. The Son is then the one who created the universe. Because the Son relationship of the Son to the Father is not one of nature, it is, therefore, adoptive. God adopted Christ as the Son. Though Christ was a creation, because of his great position and authority, he was to be worshipped and even looked upon as God. Some Arians even held that the Holy Spirit was the first and greatest creation of the Son.

    At Jesus' incarnation, the Arians asserted that the divine quality of the Son, the Logos, took the place of the human and spiritual aspect of Jesus, thereby denying the full and complete incarnation of God the Son, second person of the Trinity.

    In asserting that Christ the Son, as a created thing, was to be worshipped, the Arians were advocating idolatry.

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  • mrsjones5

    A displaced middleman

  • BluesBrother

    They see him as important, but....subordinate to Jehovah - the archangel, another of God's creations , a bit higher than the angels but no where near as important as God....Actually he is one of them, the foremost Jehovah's Witness

  • RubaDub

    Middle Management

    Rub a Dub

  • leavingwt

    The JWs reject the label of "polytheist", yet they say Jesus was not a mere human. They say he is "a god" or "divine".

    To a strict monotheist, the JWs, by definition, are polytheists.

  • sir82

    For JWs, Jesus is little more than an "exemplary pioneer".

    Oh, and he's also the galactic switchboard operator for prayers. If you don't include the area code "in Jesus name" at the end of your prayer, the connection to Jehovah doesn't go through.

    Outside of that, for a JW, he's pretty irrelevant.

  • darth frosty
    darth frosty

    The name you mention before you can say 'amen'.


    Jesus is the Guy..

    The WBT$ fired as Mediator..

    There was nothing God could do about it..

    God would`nt have a Job,without the WBT$..

    ............................. ...OUTLAW

  • Farkel

    mrsjones and just about everyone else here nailed it perfectly.

    Jesus is just a prop used by the GB for their own glory. Similarly, a dead body at a JW funeral is also just a prop for a Watchtower sales presentation.


  • jonathan dough
    jonathan dough
    The JWs reject the label of "polytheist", yet they say Jesus was not a mere human. They say he is "a god" or "divine".

    Not exactly. They also say he was nothing more than a man, albeit perfect, which would create another contradiction if they also consider him a god. Hence they dilute "a god" to really mean god-like or divine to circumvent the polytheistic implications. Either way they are patently wrong. More here:


    "Jesus, no more and no less than a perfect human, ... " (Should You Believe, Chapter 6)

    The Arian Heresy - The Jehovah's Witnesses teach 4th century Arian Subordinationism, an early heresy condemned at Nicaea I.

    Most Jehovah's Witnesses are unaware that their conception of Christ is an adaptation and resurrection of 4th century Arian Subordinationism and theories propounded by earlier Ebionite heretics (Catholic Encyclopedia, 919). In 318, Arius, a priest of Baucalis, propounded the doctrine that Christ is not fully divine (Oxford, 1209; Encyclopedia of Religion, 54). “Arius asserted that the Son was a perfect creature, at most a kind of demigod subordinated to the Father” (Encyclopedia of Religion, 20).

    The Father alone, Arius argued, … is ungenerate, source without source, self-existent. Therefore the Father alone is truly eternal…. (Catholic Encyclopedia, 297)

    “Jesus must be a creature, albeit one who was exalted and achieved union with God. … Arius insisted ‘there was when he was not.’ Arius was simply fulfilling the Stoic-shaped logic of trinitarian reflection prior to Origen, for he assumed that the expressed word of God (the Son) was inferior to the inherent reason of God (the Father). (Oxford, 1209)

    Subordinationism suggests “… that the Father is somehow prior to the Son and the Spirit. … It was this tendency, pursued by Arius and others, which the Nicaene and Constantinopolitan creeds set out to avoid. (Oxford, 1211)

    “Arius conceded that Christ was divine; but only in a translated figurative sense of the term. In other words, He is not literally divine at all. He is the most exalted of God’s creatures, authorized by God to be His agent in the work of creation, and adopted as His Son. The Word, then, was specifically different from the Father. He is a secondary deity, subordinate in nature to, not the equal of the Father …. From Arius’ viewpoint, Christ’s coming signifies nothing more noteworthy than the arrival of another creature, the decent of a demiurge into flesh” (Catholic Encyclopedia, 919).

    Semi-Arianism taught that Jesus Christ is a god subordinate to the Father, which is precisely what the Jehovah's Witnesses teach as reflected in their translation of John 1:1, “And the Word was a god” (NWT), not the “God” of mainstream Christianity.

    With minor modifications, the similarities between Arianism and the Jehovah's Witnesses’ theory on the nature of Christ are striking. Their conception of Christ is not a unique revelation by the society’s founder Charles Taze Russell but reaches back 1,600 years to the first centuries. The Jehovah's Witnesses teach:

    Jesus, (was) no more and no less than a perfect human. (Should You Believe, Chapter 6)

    Jesus was a created spirit being …. Having been created by God, Jesus is in a secondary position in time, power, and knowledge. (ibid.)

    (God) created the prehuman Jesus directly. Thus, Jesus had a beginning and could never be coequal with God in power and eternity. (ibid.)

    Not only is Almighty God, Jehovah, a personality separate from Jesus but He is at all times his superior. Jesus is always presented as separate and lesser, …. (Should You Believe, Chapter 8).

    In every period of his existence, whether in heaven or on earth, his speech and conduct reflect subordination to God. God is always the superior, Jesus the lesser one who was created by God. (Should You Believe, Chapter 7). Taken from http://144000.110mb.com/trinity/index-8.html#41

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