GB Samuel Herd on "Angels and Women"

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  • truthseeker
    truthseeker

    Acluetofind

    I can't remember where I got the info from, just saved it in an email. Interesting take on the name Amoela!

  • Acluetofindtheuser
    Acluetofindtheuser

    In 1878 a book review publication called “Good Company - Sunday Afternoon: A magazine for the household” reviewed the novel Seola. The journal had their own opinion on the music that supposedly motivated Ann Smith to write Seola. They wrote:

    “A FANTASY revealed to the writer while listening to the performance of an extraordinary musical composition”-such, according to the author’s own account, is “Seola.” We are ready to believe that the performance which could have inspired such a production was extraordinary. The prelude to the “Creation,” one of Strauss’s waltzes, a scrap of a symphony of Saint Saens, and Wagner’s Centennial March, all played simultaneously in a small room, might have given birth to this “fantasy.”

    I would believe a reviewer closer to the publishing date of 1878 over an unknown source that came from who knows where. I don’t know if the Smith family was rich enough to own three phonograph units to play all three compositions at the same time. Mr. and Mrs. Smith traveled the world so they probably could.

    Anyway, It’s not important what song it was. The author was trying to convey that music was the motivating factor to write the novel. Music invokes emotion in all humans. Smith had read loads of literature from around the world that dealt with ancient history, before she wrote the book. Since she professed to be a Christian, in her other published works, she used the biblical narrative as the core of the story.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=VXhMAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA574&dq=Seola#v=onepage&q=Seola&f=false

  • Diest
    Diest

    Marked

  • Acluetofindtheuser
    Acluetofindtheuser

    What! No comments from anyone?

    After reading AW and Seola I finally came to the conclusion that God brought about the Deluge to reduce human life spans. The WT says our life span were mainly reduced because we are so far removed from perfection. I disagree. God went way out of his way to just kill a few million wicked people. Besides, God never tells when he plans to bring upon a judgment day. Why would God need to tell Noah that he has 120 years before he floods the planet? It makes no sense for God to give that detail so far in advance.

    Also, AW and Seola opened my eyes to the concept of the serpent having limbs before the curse in Eden. Do you all remember the Questions from readers about that thought?

    From Seola page 54.

    “But curious admiration was checked when I discovered upon every package a uniform mark, in shape like a winged serpent. I looked at the bearers of the treasures ; upon the breast of the tunics which they wore, and upon the band which crossed their foreheads, was the same emblem. I knew the deadly meaning of the seal. It was the seraphic form in which the Tempter appeared to our mother Eve, and I fled to my own apartment in great alarm.”

    From Angels and Women page 65.

    But curious admiration was checked when I discovered upon every package a uniform mark, in shape like a winged serpent. I looked at the bearers of the treasures. Upon the breast of the tunics which they wore, and upon the band which crossed their foreheads, was the same emblem. I knew the deadly meaning of the seal. It was the form in which the Tempter appeared to our mother Eve, and I fled to my own apartment in great alarm.”

    Watchtower June 1, 1964

    Questions from Readers:

    Did the serpent lose legs or feet as means of movement as a result of the divine curse recorded at Genesis 3:14?

    At Genesis 3:14 we are told: “And Jehovah God proceeded to say to the serpent: ‘Because you have done this thing, you are the cursed one out of all the domestic animals and out of all the wild beasts of the field. Upon your belly you will go and dust is what you will eat all the days of your life.’” This is the only place in the bible where any indication is given that the serpent did not at one time travel on its belly.

    What is said here is, of course, directed principally to the invisible spirit creature who used the literal serpent as his mouthpiece. It foretells his debasement. But for the symbolic application of this judgment upon the wicked spirit creature who became Satan to have any force there must be a fulfillment of it in the literal serpent, which has come to symbolize Satan. It, therefore, is reasonable to conclude that before God cursed it the serpent possessed legs that elevated it above the ground. As he had the power to create the serpent in the first place, God had the power to transform its body so that it ceased to have legs and was able to move about on its belly.

    Sadly the society made a retraction when the question was asked recently.

    Watchtower June 15, 2007

    Questions from Readers:

    Did the serpent that spoke to Eve have legs?

    The bible does not specifically state that the animal used in tempting Eve had previously had legs but lost them. While the wording of Genesis 3:14 might lead some to think so, we need not necessarily conclude that prior to this curse, serpents had legs. Why not?

    (The article continues with the symbolic application.)

    Did you know? The Python and Boa are of a family of snakes that have lizard talons near its reproductive organs, yes the crotch area. These talons are tied to muscles and bones which the snake has the power to move.

    So the 1964 faithful and discrete slave member was right and the 2007 F&DS member was wrong. What say you?

    Seola text

    http://www.archive.org/stream/seolaxxx00smitiala/seolaxxx00smitiala_djvu.txt

    Burmese python with X-ray of vestigial legs

    http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/lizards/snakes/python.php

  • ILoveTTATT
    ILoveTTATT

    Anyone have the actual MP3 where he recommends it? Can't find it on archive.org...

  • SuzyQ49418
    SuzyQ49418

    Here's another voice seeking the recording of Samuel Heard. The recording has been removed from the archive.org link for some reason. I would really like to have that recording.

  • dropoffyourkeylee
    dropoffyourkeylee

    I have a copy of Angels and Women, but not of Selma. It is definitely a bit of early science fiction, of the kind I found fun to read when I was growing up. It may have seemed a bit strange at the time it was written (about 1870 or so) but it is not the 'inspired by demons' book that some have made it out to be. H G Wells novels aren't much different.

    i also have a copy of Atla by the same author, mrs JG Smith. She was Ann Eliza Brainerd, wife of JG Smith who was a very wealthy railroad baron and one time governor of Vermont.

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    Huh.

    Sam Herd can read something besides a teleprompter.

    Who knew?

  • jaydee
    jaydee

    for any interested .....

    A nice talk for the kiddies .....about hacking off the heads of animals, fish giants

    Angels and Woman reference ....6.37 minutes in....

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2NDok8xMMt-ZzFjM3BCRFA1b0k/view?usp=sharing

    and about the jolly green giant. 'made up stories'...LOL, unlike the bible of course......25 minutes in.

  • Acluetofindtheuser
    Acluetofindtheuser

    Thanks for providing that link to Herd's talk Jaydee. I find it strange that he remembered the title wrong and called it "Women and Angels". He sounded quite fascinated with the story and knew a great deal about the societies involvement with it. I think he said the title wrong deliberately. He knew people would try to do search for it on the internet. They would come up empty handed with the search engine if they listed it in that order back then. He's probably thinking, "If you want to read it you have to sign up for Bethel service to get your hands on it."

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