Should a Christian see the movie "AVATAR"?
Star Wars, and Avatar, are more insidious to fundies than one might think.
They both have elements of the hero story/myth that is found in all cultures, including christian culture; this is discussed in length in Joseph Campbell's book, The Hero with a Thousand Faces.
In Avatar, the tree is central to the story; the tree is a powerful part of the myth of many cultures as the font of life and rebirth; I didn't see that they worshiped the tree so much as tried to be in tune with it.
I liked Avatar; like Star Wars, big on ideas, though the dialogue is not Shakespeare.
Loved the way it brought an alternate world to life.
I saw it yesterday and loved it.
seen it, in 3D, really recommend to watch in 3D, speciual effects are stunning, story is ok, nothing great, but ok...
also sister overzealous and self-righteous from our hall even seen it the other day...
so I guess, most JW wont object it...
If I was a CO, I would give a service meeting talk about Avatar- I would say- That Jesus is using movies like Avatar to separate the wheat from the chaff and a lot of JW's who went to Avatar have shown Jesus they enjoy being a part of the world and they really won't fit in the new system of things. oops!
Of course they won't do that, because even the elders have gone to see this movie! I do see from the comments on the Topix forum, that JW's aren't very strict about entertainment today, which tells me that a lot of them are JW's in name only. Just get rid of shunning and watch the KH's empty out. Do JW's serve out of love or fear?
Apparently the dubs are getting worked up in an email frenzy over Avatar; I don't get many JW emails anymore, but on Friday/Saturday I got the following two, from separate people.
This was forwarded to me:
- Family Worship Research (AVATAR)
- After discussing with our family and several friends about the popular movie Avatar, and the prevalence of "avatars" on the Internet, we thought that others might be interested in what we found in our family worship research, tell us what you think:
- Merriam-Webster Dictionary:
- avÂ·aÂ·tar: the incarnation of a Hindu deity (as Vishnu)
- Mankind's Search for God p. 106:
- avatar-a manifestation or an incarnation of a Hindu deity
- Mankind's Search for God p.116
- Buddha – Gautama, founder of Buddhism; Hinndus view him as an incarnation (avatar) of Vishnu
- In Hinduism, Avatar or Avatra (Devanagari à¤…à¤µà¤¤à¤¾à¤° , Sanskrit for "descent" [viz., from heaven to earth]) refers to a deliberate descent of a deity from heaven to earth
- Sound familiar?!?
- "And the angels that did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place he has reserved with eternal bonds under dense darkness for the judgment of the great day" Jude 6
- Similarities between the Hindu goddess Kali(left) and a character from the movie (right).
- Another interesting point…the race of blue humanoids in the movie are called Navi'; on researching that look what we found on Wikipedia:
- Navi - (singular, Hebrew, plural: Nevi'im) refers to a (or the) prophet in the Hebrew Bible.
- We hope you all found this as interesting as we did.
- This is very interesting information to know especially since "Avatar" is one of the most popular movies in the world right now.
- Its good to keep well informed...(2 Corinthians 2:11) . . . that we may not be overreached by Satan, for we are not ignorant of his designs."
- We thought this was very interesting and researched it ourselves too. We put the word "avatar" & "Incarnation" into our Watchtower Library search engine and it brings up a whole lot more interesting points from other publications.
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 9:31 PM Subject: A well-written article (by a brother) who lives in Arkansas and is an elder in a Spanish congregation there. Dear friends: How can you have escaped the advertising promoting a new movie--that has made more money than any movie ever made. That is the publicity I have seen in the news this past week. I could only wonder about the name of it for it was a word I had never used, or that I could remember. Tonight I pulled out my dictionary after reading the article below, an article writen by a brother in Arkansas, and which appeared in a newspaper in Brinkley, Arkansas. You can see how he touches something many of us may not have known. It seems that 'avatar' comes from a Sanskrit root of two words, "down" and "(he) crosses over." The first definition then is: "Hinduism--a god's coming down in bodily form to the earth; incarnation of a god." So when did any god or gods (angels) come down to the earth that you have learned about from the Bible? Could this whole expensive production be something that should be repulsive to a Christian--even dressed up in blue/green? Your Christian brother, -------------- BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WATCH! WORDS OF FAITH
Central Delta Argus-Sun by Jack Repass I’m always amazed at the amount of money some movies make in the first couple of weeks of their opening. It seems as though each new
presentation of sex and /or violence tops the last one. I was curious about this “Avatar” phenomenon, as it seems to be the latest rage. Here’s what I learned: according to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary av·a·tar: the incarnation of a Hindu deity (as Vishnu). According the book Mankind’s Search for God Avatar is a manifestation or an incarnation of a Hindu deity. The same book a few pages further explains that Buddha-Gautama, the founder of Buddhism was viewed as an incarnation or avatar of Vishnu.
Wikipedia.org explains that in Hinduism “Avatar” is Sanskrit for a being or deity that descended from heaven to earth. We now can open our Bible’s to the 6th chapter of Genesis. The Bible in Modern English translates the first two verses this way: “When mankind had spread all over the world and girls were being born some of the supernatural beings saw these girls were beautiful, so they took the ones they liked.” The footnote acknowledges that these supernatural beings were “sons of God” or angels. One can only guess as to their motive in taking fleshly bodies and trying to produce offspring. Regardless, the result of these angels and humans reproducing was giants, freaks, and genetic misfits. They apparently were all males; some translations call them “fellers” as they took pleasure in violence, or knocking people down, as one would fell a tree. Genesis chapter six continues with Jehovah’s expression in verse 6 that he was sorry he’d made man and that he purposed to wipe out these
wicked inhabitants of the earth. Fortunately for us, Noah was a God-fearing man who served him faithfully. Due to his obedience, along
with his sons and daughters-in-law, the ark was constructed, representatives of animal kinds were collected, and when the flood came the human family survived. All humans on earth now can trace their heritage back to one of the three sons of Noah. Back to our original thought, these Avatars gave up their earthly forms when the flood came. Jude verse 6 tells us that these angels had abandoned their proper dwelling place, that is to say heaven, and as a result, now are no longer part of God’s heavenly kingdom. Revelation chapter 12 speaks of a war in heaven when Satan and his angels (former avatars) were cast out of heaven and confined to the vicinity of the earth. The increase in violence, immorality, and obsession with the occult and spiritistic practices can be attributed to these fallen angels and the influence they exert over mankind. We would be wise to apply the principle of Psalm 101:3, according to the Living Bible states: ”Help me to refuse the low and vulgar things; help me abhor all crooked deals of every kind, to have no part in them.” Would it be pleasing to our Creator to glorify the actions of angels that have rebelled against Him?
From Central Delta Argus-Sun newspaper, Brinkley, Arkansas, USA
I think the original poster on this thread is right; JW's are just afraid of Smurfs, and the Navi remind them too much of giant ones. Besides, that 3D technology is just unnatural, making images "float" off the screen like that; Satan and the demons MUST be involved, levitating images like they do off a 2D screen. (rolls eyes)
- Family Worship Research (AVATAR)
Lol TJ, how did those guys used emails? They seem completely out of touch with the modern world. They actually had to look up what avatar means? And the best they got was the original meaning regardin the deity? Come on... it's such a widely used word nowadays on the Internet that it's hard to believe one can send an email yet never seen it... It's everywhere.
[spoiler] Being a bit of the devil's advocate for OP, the Navi didn't really had nature worship. The moon (planet) they lived on was a living being, it had a functioning brain. The Navi only communicated with him. Nothing supernatural there, actually everything in the movie got a proper (pseudo)scientific explanation, from the super-high trees through the floating rocks, down to the nature repelling the invaders.
LOL this stuff is hilarious. What is the basis of the comparison of the Navi with the Hindu goddess Kali? Anything other than skin color?
A JW shouldn't see Avatar:
1) Those almost Three Hours could be devoted to the Ministry or Familiy worhsip
2) Those $12 should go to the World Wide Work
3) They blue guys are Cat-Like, and Cats were worhsiped by Egyptians
4) Being together three hours in a dark enviroment could lead to incidental sex between non married couples
lol @ Winston's #4. We all know movie theatre's are the devil's playground.
@leolaia: I know; that's what struck me as funny in these emails. I replied to the people that sent it to me with the same reply they use when I used to send them "news" about "Mother": "Maybe we should not rush ahead of Mother, and wait for some official review of the movie, like they did for ET in the February 8th 1983 Awake, page 27." I hope they go look it up.
@teel: I know what you mean about them being "out of touch". Can you believe an elder sent that letter (it says "article", but I bet it was a letter to the editor) to the local newspaper. I bet they printed it out of laughter, not seriousness. Talk about proving your own unreasonableness.