question for theMadJW and other Wt apologists

by isaacaustin 84 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • TheSheppard
    TheSheppard

    I think the answer to your question comes down to faith. First of all, you might not agree, but it is logical to have a governing body. Jehovah has always had representatives taking the lead in his theocratic government on earth. Acts 15 describes this arrangement for the first century Christian congregation. Acts 16:4,5 shows that the congregations followed the decrees that were decided by the apostles and elders from Jerusalem.

    Please allow me to quote from a 1990 watchtower regarding the governing body in the first century:

    "While all anointed Christians collectively form God’s household, there is abundant evidence that Christ chose a small number of men out of the slave class to serve as a visible governing body. The early history of the congregation shows that the 12 apostles, including Matthias, were the foundation of the first-century governing body. Acts 1:20-26 provides us with an indication of this. In connection with a replacement for Judas Iscariot, reference is there made to “his office of oversight” and to “this ministry and apostleship.”"

    Now comes the role of the faithful and discreet slave who was assigned to be the master's steward, which included dispensing spiritual food to the individuals within the household of God. Witnesses have published that the modern day "official" appointment came to be in 1919.

    Firstly, wether it is in 1919 or at another time, Luke 12:43, after describing the faithful Steward says "Happy is that slave, if his master on arriving finds him doing so!". So there would come a time when the master would arrive to inspect if the slave or house manager was taking care of business or not. So the question is, when did the master arrive to inspect the slave's work?

    To do this, Witnesses point to the beginning of the parousia and then make some calculations when examining what was happening in the world and within the organization. This is where faith is required as I mentioned in the first line. As a Witness, I understand completely your view and realize that you either believe this or not.

    Witnesses point to 1914 as the year of Christ's heavenly enthronement. I understand this date has been debated on this board so I'm not going to get into that now. I'm just stating what we believe in order to answer your question. Returning to the topic at hand, it is logical to think the master, Jesus Christ, would come to inspect the work of the slave after his enthronement since up to that point he has only been sitting at the right hand of God waiting for this time.

    I know you know this already, but just to keep up with the timeline. According to the book of Revelation, Jesus had to take care of some business in heaven as soon as he was enthroned as the Messianic King. So the "inspection" must have happened after that heavenly war. So now the war in heaven is over and it comes time for the new King to focus on the earth. The first thing he does is inspect who has been doing the work of the "slave" or "steward". Here is where the organizations history comes into play. I understand that readers or posters here will have some sort of conspiracy theory on this and will criticize what was happening during that period of 1918 to 1919, but the Witnesses believe that upon inspection, the master found only one group attempting to do what was right.

    Again, I apologize, but allow me to quote from a watchtower on what the Witnesses believe:

    "On arriving to inspect his slaves in 1918, therefore, whom did the Master, Jesus Christ, find giving to his body of attendants their measure of food supplies at the proper time? Well, by

  • Caedes
    Caedes

    Sheppard,

    Back again? You didn't answer the questions I asked you in the following thread:

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/184211/3/Homosexuality-In-The-Scriptures

  • snowbird
    snowbird

    Dourold Sharp old Caedes!

    Old doesn't necessarily mean chronologically.

    Sylvia

  • DJK
    DJK

    I just saw something run by with it's tail between it's legs.

  • jookbeard
    jookbeard

    problem is Sheppard, I'm unable to accept WT quotes on this, only good old firm Bible evidence will suffice

  • Caedes
    Caedes

    Snowbird,

    I rather suspect The Sheppard is only capable of hit and run postings. He must realise the flock will amuse themselves in his absence!

    In my opinion you are only as old as the person you're feeling (or fingering in your case! )

  • TheSheppard
    TheSheppard

    Caedes:

    Come on dude, those questions you reference where not even yours. Just copying and pasting from another site and then requesting me to answer. And then having a bunch of ignorant posters clap like monkeys saying "oooohhh that was good Caedes, hehehe".

    I ignored the post as I saw it like a waste of time. But if you have real questions that you sincerely want me to address, feel free to email me or pm me.

  • Caedes
    Caedes

    They are perfectly valid questions, I clearly indicated where they where quoted from. I would sincerely like to hear your answers.

    Your difficulty in giving a non-hypocritical answer is the whole point of the questions. If you are incapable or unwilling to answer them just say so and I will not repeat my questions.

    Perhaps the reason other posters liked the quote is because it gets to the heart of the issue, i.e. how do you discern which parts of the old testament laws should be applied and which do we conveniently ignore.

  • snowbird
    snowbird
    In my opinion you are only as old as the person you're feeling (or fingering in your case! )

    Ouch! I'm glad LouBelle knew what I meant.

    Sylvia

  • undercover
    undercover

    Isaac asks:

    On what basis do you make the claim that the leadership of the JW's, aka governing body, is the organization God is and has been working through continuously since 1919?

    and Sheppard answers with quotes from the Watchtower.

    There you have it Isaac, "because the Watchtower tells us so"

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