607 and 1914 etc ----help please

by AdaMakawee 20 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • dgp
    dgp

    AdaMakawee, my comment was just meant to go to the heart of the matter. In my view of things, which might not be the right one to approach witnesses, if there is no reason for us to make those calculations, why should we even make them? This is perhaps my way of disproving the chronology, by stating that there's no reason why we should have one, in the first place.

  • Larsinger58
    Larsinger58

    I ask them to draw me up a list of Neo Babylonian kings showing which kings reigned in which year.

    Very good.

    Here's the correct NB timeline from Neb2 down to the end of the Persian Period.

    564 JOS19 NABOPAL-01 (30 YEARS TO 5TH YR EXILE JEHOIACHIN)(1)

    563 JOS20 NABOPAL-02

    562 JOS21 NABOPAL-03

    561 JOS22 NABOPAL-04

    560 JOS23 NABOPAL-05

    559 JOS24 NABOPAL-06

    558 JOS25 NABOPAL-07

    557 JOS26 NABOPAL-08

    556 JOS27 NABOPAL-09

    555 JOS28 NABOPAL-10

    554 JOS29 NABOPAL-11

    553 JOS30 NABOPAL-12 JUBILEE YEAR

    552 JOS31 NABOPAL-13

    551 NABOPAL-14

    550 JHK01 NABOPAL-15

    549 JHK02 NABOPAL-16

    548 JHK03 1ST DEPORT. NABOPAL-17 NABOPAL-17 NEBUCH2-ACC

    547 JHK04 NECHO ATTACK NEBUCH2-01 (18)

    546 JHK05 NEBUCH2-02 (19)

    545 JHK06 NEBUCH2-03 (20)

    544 JHK07 NEBUCH2-04 (21)

    543 JHK08 NEBUCH2-05 (22)

    542 JHK08 NEBUCH2-06 (23)

    541 JHK10 2ND DEPORT. NEBUCH2-07 (24)

    540 JHK11 JHC.3 3RD DEPORT. NEBUCH2-08 (25)

    539 ZED01 NEBUCH2-09 (1st exile of Jehoiachin-month 5)(26)

    538 ZED02 NEBUCH2-10 (2nd, month 5)(27)

    537 ZED03 NEBUCH2-11 (3rd, month 5)(28)

    536 ZED04 NEBUCH2-12 (4th, month 5)(29)

    535 ZED05 NEBUCH2-13 (5th, month 5)(30th of Nabopolassar)

    534 ZED06 NEBUCH2-14

    533 ZED07 NEBUCH2-15

    532 ZED08 NEBUCH2-16

    531 ZED09 NEBUCH2-17

    530 ZED10 4TH DEPORT. NEBUCH2-18

    529 ZED11 JERUSALEM DESTROYED NEBUCH2-19 (5TH D.)

    528 GEDALIAH01 NEBUCH2-20

    527 GEDALIAH02 NEBUCH2-21

    526 NEBUCH2-22

    525 (70-YEARS BEGINS) 6TH DEPORT. NEBUCH2-23

    524 NEBUCH2-24

    523 NEBUCH2-25

    522 NEBUCH2-26

    521 NEBUCH2-27

    520 NEBUCH2-28

    519 NEBUCH2-29

    518 NEBUCH2-30

    517 NEBUCH2-31

    516 NEBUCH2-32

    515 NEBUCH2-33

    514 NEBUCH2-34

    513 NEBUCH2-35

    512 NEBUCH2-36

    511 NEBUCH2-37

    510 NEBUCH2-38

    509 NEBUCH2-39

    508 NEBUCH2-40

    507 NEBUCH2-41

    506 NEBUCH2-42

    505 NEBUCH2-43

    504 NEBUCH2-44

    503 NEBUCH2-45

    502 EV-MRDK-01

    501 EV-MRDK-02

    500 EV-MRDK-03

    499 EV-MRDK-04

    498 EV-MRDK-05

    497 EV-MRDK-06

    496 EV-MRDK-07

    495 EV-MRDK-08

    494 EV-MRDK-09

    493 EV-MRDK-10

    492 EV-MRDK-11

    491 EV-MRDK-12

    490 EV-MRDK-13

    489 EV-MRDK-14

    488 EV-MRDK-15

    487 EV-MRDK-16

    486 EV-MRDK-17

    485 EV-MRDK-18

    484 NIGLSR-01

    483 NIGLSR-02

    482 NIGLSR-03

    483 NIGLSR-04

    480 NABON-01

    479 NABON-02

    478 (ECLIPSE) NABON-03 BELSHZ-01 M/LYDIA PEACE

    477 NABON-04 BELSHZ-02

    476 NABON-05 BELSHZ-03

    475 NABON-06 BELSHZ-04

    474 NABON-07 BELSHZ-05

    473 NABON-08 BELSHZ-06

    472 NABON-09 BELSHZ-07

    471 NABON-10 BELSHZ-08

    470 NABON-11 BELSHZ-09

    469 NABON-12 BELSHZ-10

    468 NABON-13 BELSHZ-11

    467 NABON-14 BELSHZ-12

    466 NABON-15 BELSHZ-13

    465 NABON-16 BELSHZ-14

    464 NABON-17 BELSHZ-15

    463 (MEDO-PERSIA) NABON-18 BELSHZ-16

    462 NABON-19 BELSHZ-17

    461 DAR-MEDE-01

    460 DAR-MEDE-02

    459 DAR-MEDE-03

    458 DAR-MEDE-04

    457 DAR-MEDE-05

    456 DAR-MEDE-06

    455 CYRUS I-01 END 70-YEAR EXILE

  • Larsinger58
    Larsinger58

    Basically, you have a choice.

    Use secular sources, which were revised, or the Bible.

    The Bible gives us the interval of 483 years from when the "word goes forth to rebuild Jerusalem" until the messiah arrives, which is 29 CE. That means the 1st of Cyrus falls in 455 BCE. Add 70 years to get to the last deportation, year 23 of Nebuchadnezzar (Jer 52-30) and you have when Nebuchadnezzar began his rule, year 547 BCE.

    The dishonest archaeologists make up stories about how the Jews changed their timeline and history without blinking, but as soon as you suggest the pagans revised their history for political reasons, even though that is clearly obvious, they wierd out and run away screaming "conspiracy theory! Save me!"

    The Bible is always true. And there is no way around this. Ezra 6 14 and 15 forces you to limit the rule of Darius I to just 6 years rather than 36 years, so you know the Persian Period was expanded and all the current dates are incorrect, even if you just make that one adjustment. The Bible's chronology is the only one that clearly preserves the chronology for this period.

    But now you can skip this entire period in question if you want and use 1947, the return of the Jews to their homeland to date the 70th jubilee. The jubilee is 49 years so ends in 1996. That means the 70 jubilee periods begin in 1435 BCE and the Exodus is the very first jubilee 49 years after the period begins, which is 1386 BCE. You can confirm that date by astronomical text now, the KTU 1.78 dates year 12 of Akhenaten to 1375 BCE, though indirectly. The Exodus occurred when his rule began, which is why he converted to monotheism in response to the 10 plagues. At any rate, the return from Babylon is also the beginning of a jubilee period, exactly 19 jubilees after the Exodus. 19 x 49 = 931 1386-931=455 BCE. So 1947 forces us to date the 1st of Cyrus to 455 BCE now, even if you don't trust the Bible's interval of 69 weeks between the 1st of Cyrus to the baptism of Christ because of confusing interpretations.

    LS

  • AdaMakawee
    AdaMakawee

    Black Sheep, any chance of you posting your list? I don't want a JW apologist confusing the matter here.

    Thanks,

    Ada

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  • aSphereisnotaCircle
    aSphereisnotaCircle

    Basically, you have a choice.

    Use secular sources, which were revised, or the Bible.

    You cannot come up with any dates using the bible alone, the bible has no dates, you must use secular sources to find a starting point and then you can use the bible to head in any direction you choose to.

    Or you can just stick with using secular sources,

    But the bible alone has no dates.

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep

    Allymom's thread 586/587 the K.I.S.S. approach --- no VAT4956, Ptolemy, Josephus needed

    Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Babylonian_Empire

    Resist the temptation to give them the list. Ask them to provide it to you. Ask in such a way that they really want to draw one up for you.

    Cheers

    Chris

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep

    Larsinger, have you ever woken up in a dumpster?

  • Doug Mason
    Doug Mason

    Ada,

    If it's of any help, I have a few pieces on the subject at:

    http://www.jwstudies.com/babylonian_captivity.html

    with some simple pictures at:

    http://www.jwstudies.com/Why_historians_know_Babylon_fell_in_539_BCE.pdf

    http://www.jwstudies.com/WTS_support_for_the_Babylonian_king-list.pdf

    You will find my email address there, if I can be of particular help.

    Doug

  • be wise
    be wise

    1914

    because it's chronologically corrrect

    Exact date 1969

    (in the sunshine)

    10 years before expected date

    As a result 607 BC (before Christ)

    ...before a Crucifixion of Jesus

    PEACE

    be wise

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