IRAN-Deja vu all over again?

by JWdaughter 318 Replies latest social current

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    Robert Baer, former CIA field officer, writing in Time magazine. . .

    Why Sanctions Won't Beat Iran's Revolutionary Guards

    On Monday, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton finally got around to acknowledging what a lot of people have known since Iran's contested election last June — there's been a military takeover in that country, with the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) grabbing every important lever of power. As Clinton put it during a televised town-hall meeting, "The Supreme Leader, the President [and] the parliament is being supplanted, and Iran is moving toward a military dictatorship."

    No doubt one reason it took Clinton so long to admit that the mullahs have been forced to cede power to the IRGC, Iran's élite military force, is that Washington hates to be the bearer of bad news, especially news that moves us closer to war.

    Since its birth in 1979, the IRGC has been the hardest of the hard core of Ayatullah Khomeini's Islamic revolution. It thrives in confrontation with the U.S. and Israel, and does even better when Iran is at war. The IRGC looks at the 1982-2000 war in Lebanon as its most glorious moment, when its proxy Hizballah forced the West and Israel out of Lebanon. It left Hizballah with the enviable reputation of being the only force in the Middle East to have beaten both the West and Israel. Not to mention that Hizballah is now the de facto government in Lebanon. No wonder the IRGC would like an encore in the West Bank and Gaza, where it has been arming militants for more than a decade.

    It may make us feel better to label the IRGC as a terrorist organization, but it's more instructive to look at things from the IRGC's perspective. It truly believes that its brand of asymmetrical warfare can defeat a modern, well-equipped force in a limited war. It did so in Lebanon, and given the right circumstances, it would do so in other parts of the Middle East. But the real point is that in a limited war with the U.S. and Israel, the IRGC could predominate, or at least wear us down to the point that we would decide it's better to settle.

    With inflation and unemployment running at 30% in Iran, continuing demonstrations in the country and shaky oil markets, the Obama Administration should be considering the distinct possibility that the IRGC may welcome an open conflict with the U.S. (and Israel), its coup d'état solidified.

    The most certain route to bringing the world down on its head would be for the IRGC to keep building centrifuges and enriching uranium. If nothing else, the hostility of the West that would follow would distract the Iranian opposition. And while an Israeli strike on Iran's nuclear facilities could perhaps set back the program by five years, it's a small price to pay in order to convince the people on the street that Iran is under an existential threat. One thing that would happen is that opposition demonstrations would come to a quick end.

    The Obama Administration is talking about putting more sanctions on the IRGC, with hopes that a reluctant China might be willing to sign on to a more targeted effort. But this is a silly and hollow gesture — the IRGC is the best sanctions buster in the world. What Washington should be thinking about, now that crazy mullahs have been replaced by cunning generals, is how you negotiate with a military dictatorship. Unlike faith-based regimes, military ones have objectives, ones they are willing to negotiate and compromise on. We've certainly been through it before. The question is whether this Administration understands that punitive strikes don't intimidate beasts like the IRGC.

    http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1964509,00.html?xid=rss-topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+time/topstories+%28TIME:+Top+Stories%29

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    CNN: Iran may be working on secretly developing a nuclear warhead for a missile, IAEA draft report says.

    Really? You think? Get out of here. What a secret!

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    You can't slip anything past the UN. They are so sharp.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100218/ap_on_re_eu/eu_iran_nuclear/print

  • straightshooter
    straightshooter

    World developments are getting very scary in regards to Iran. North Korea has admitted that they were working on nuclear bombs. Iran claims that they are developing nuclear energy not bombs. Yet the rhetoric is more against Iran than North Korea.

    It sure points to military action being taken against Iran in the near future.

  • llbh
    llbh

    If Iran is playing this game than I have overestimated them.They will be bombed by Israel as well and sooner rather than later.

    As for sanctions on South Africa, it is a matter of fact that they played a large part in their change of policy, along with political developments as well. In the case of South Africa it was the political bravery of FW de Clerk.

    As has been pointed out Iran does not have the refining capacity, and requires embargoed western technology to increase it.

    We still need to support the moderates as well, in attempt to replace the current regime.

    David

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt
    They will be bombed by Israel as well and sooner rather than later.

    I was sure hoping that it wouldn't come to this. All military options are UGLY.

  • sacolton
  • llbh
    llbh

    I have a friend of mine who is a liberal Jew and he has no doubt Israel will bomb the Hell out of Iran should they get close to the bomb. And yeah it is really scarey.

    David

  • llbh
    llbh

    Just read this in the Independent, how prescient. It refers to the effect of sanctions on Syria, and the engagement of Obama with former foes of the US and has relevance to Iran.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/obama-courts-damascus-in-hope-of-ending-middle-east-deadlock-1903008.html

    Regards David

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    Mark Steyn, conservative, doesn't think Israel will stop Iran. . .

    Iran Will Go Nuclear and Formally Inaugurate the Post-American Era

    . . .

    It is now certain that Tehran will get its nukes, and very soon. This is the biggest abdication of responsibility by the Western powers since the 1930s. It is far worse than Pakistan going nuclear, which, after all, was just another thing the CIA failed to see coming. In this case, the slow-motion nuclearization conducted in full view and through years of tortuous diplomatic charades and endlessly rescheduled looming deadlines is not just a victory for Iran but a decisive defeat for the United States. It confirms the Islamo-Sino-Russo-everybody-else diagnosis of Washington as a hollow superpower that no longer has the will or sense of purpose to enforce the global order.

    What does it mean? That a year or two down the line Iran will be nuking Israel? Not necessarily, although the destruction of not just the Zionist Entity but the broader West remains an explicit priority. Maybe they mean it. Maybe they don’t. Maybe they’ll do it directly. Maybe they’ll just get one of their terrorist subcontractors to weaponize the St. Albans pancake batter. But, when you’ve authorized successful mob hits on Salman Rushdie’s publishers and translators, when you’ve blown up Jewish community centers in Buenos Aires, when you’ve acted extraterritorially to the full extent of your abilities for 30 years, it seems prudent for the rest of us to assume that when your abilities go nuclear, you’ll be acting to an even fuller extent.

    But even without launching a single missile, Iran will at a stroke have transformed much of the map — and not just in the Middle East, where the Sunni dictatorships face a choice between an unsought nuclear arms race and a future as Iranian client states. In Eastern Europe, a nuclear Iran will vastly advance Russia’s plans for a de facto reconstitution of its old empire: In an unstable world, Putin will offer himself as the protection racket you can rely on. And you’d be surprised how far west “Eastern” Europe extends: Moscow’s strategic view is of a continent not only energy-dependent on Russia but also security-dependent. And, when every European city is within range of Tehran and other psycho states, there’ll be plenty of takers for that when the alternative is an effete and feckless Washington.

    It’s a mistake to think that the infantilization of once-free peoples represented by the micro-regulatory nanny state can be confined to pancakes and hot tubs. Consider, for example, the incisive analysis of Scott Gration, the U.S. special envoy to the mass murderers of Sudan: “We’ve got to think about giving out cookies, ” said Gration a few months back. “Kids, countries — they react to gold stars, smiley faces, handshakes, agreements, talk, engagement.”

    Actually, there’s not a lot of evidence “smiley faces” have much impact on kids in the Bronx, never mind genocidal machete-wielders in Darfur. So much for the sophistication of “soft power,” smiling through a hard-faced world.

    So Iran will go nuclear and formally inaugurate the post-American era. The Left and the isolationist right reckon that’s no big deal. They think of the planet as that Arizona patio and America as the hotel room. There may be an incendiary hot tub out there, but you can lock the door and hang a sign, and life will go on, albeit a little more cramped and constrained than before. I think not.

    http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=NmViMTg2MGQzMDQ4NTExZjlmODE1M2Q0ZGU3ZTdiYjc=

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