IRAN-Deja vu all over again?

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  • llbh

    This was on the national news networks here last night. If Iran is really serious about this, and I believe that there is a strong possibility that it is, this underlines that the approach taken by Obama is working.


  • HappyGuy

    ^ You are a bigger fool than Obama, if that is possible.

    The Iranians are using the classic "talking and fighting, fighting and talking" tactic. They talk when it suits them to buy time so they can fight better later on.

    The North Vietnamese used this approach to steal victory in a war that they had decidedly lost.

    And the Iranian regime has done what exactly to show that they are trustworthy?

  • llbh

    Happy Guy read my posts before you answer and insult me.

    The Iranian regime has done nothing to prove themselves worthy of trust yet, neither has the US, and did I say they had ?

    Reread the article by Dejevsky who is far from a Lilli livered socialist.


  • leavingwt

    I thought I'd heard it all. I was wrong. . .

    Daniel Pipes: Obama Must Bomb Iran to Save His Presidency

    Daniel Pipes, whose previous interest in Barack Obama centered on hisbelief that the president was Muslim, is now offering free advice on "how to save the Obama presidency." To wit: bomb Iran.

    "He needs a dramatic gesture to change the public perception of him as a light-weight, bumbling ideologue, preferably in an arena where the stakes are high, where he can take charge, and where he can trump expectations," writes Pipes in a piece for National Review.

    "Such an opportunity does exist: Obama can give orders for the U.S. military to destroy Iran's nuclear-weapon capacity."

    Pipes also warns of Iran launching "an electromagnetic pulse attack on the United States, utterly devastating the country."

    According to Pipes, a war with Iran would also be quick and easy job. "[I]if the its strike to taking out Iran's nuclear facilities and did not attempt any regime change, it would require few "boots on the ground" and entail relatively few casualties, making an attack more politically palatable."

    Contra Pipes, retired Gen. Anthony Zinni (ret.) has said (via Matt Duss):

    "After you've dropped those bombs on those hardened facilities, what happens next? ... Because, eventually, if you follow this all the way down, eventually I'm putting boots on the ground somewhere. And like I tell my friends, if you like Iraq and Afghanistan, you'll love Iran."

  • llbh

    Sounds like Happy Guy to me.

    I think General Zinni's comments are thought out and measured rather than the inane rants, (which I find uninformed and unimaginative).

    Iran does not yet possess nuclear weapons, I am far more worried about Pakistan, a fractured and fractious state which has nuclear weapons, they are safe for now though, as they are allies of the west. Looking at what happened to Saddam I might be worried if i were them.


  • leavingwt

    How’s That Diplomacy Working, Mr. President?

    Today wasn’t a good day for the Obama administration’s plan to isolate Iran by appeasing that rogue regime’s two main protectors: Russia and China.

    China once again demonstrated that it was not even entertaining the notion of supporting sanctions against Iran when its Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi said [1] he opposed any talk of pressure on Tehran since it would block chances of a diplomatic settlement of the impasse over Iran’s development of nuclear weapons. The Iranians have made it clear over and over again that there is no possibility of such a settlement. Which means that the Chinese are merely backing Iran’s strategy of stalling Western diplomats until their nuclear capability is a fait accompli.

    Meanwhile, the Associated Press reported that Iran has received more assurances from Russia that it still intends [2] to deliver long-range air-defense missiles to Tehran. Both the United States and Israel — the likely first target of any Iranian nuclear device — have expended considerable energy on trying to stop the Russians from augmenting Iran’s air-defense system. This is a particularly irresponsible move on Russia’s part. The more secure Iran feels about its ability to defend itself against potential U.S. or Israeli attacks aimed at either forestalling or destroying its nuclear project, the more dangerous it becomes.

    Taken together, these two developments illustrate the fact that Obama has wasted a full year pursuing a diplomatic-engagement scheme that never had a chance of success. The idea that you could win Moscow’s heart by betraying the Czech Republic and Poland (over missile defense) or woo China by demonstrating weakness on human rights and trade issues only convinced those countries that Obama’s main characteristic as a leader was neither charisma nor eloquence but rather weakness. The notion that Obama, whose stock is falling not only in the United States but also abroad, can rally either the United Nations (where China and Russia can veto sanctions) or Europe to take serious action on Iran is a White House fantasy.

    There is a cottage industry of apologists both for Iran and for the Obama administration’s engagement policy with Tehran, whose main line of argument is that Iranian nukes are no big deal and that both the West and Israel will have to learn to live with them. That fits in nicely with a White House mindset that prefers to obsess over the administration’s faltering domestic agenda rather than deal with a perilous threat to international peace. But the longer Obama waits before attempting to do something about Iran, the more serious the consequences will be. The clock is ticking toward the day when a triumphant Iran will be able to announce that its nuclear dreams have become a reality. As much as this administration’s fate seems to be riding on the economy and failed projects like its hopes for a government takeover of health care, Iran, the issue they prefer would go away, may turn out to be the greatest danger to Obama’s legacy.

  • freydo

    And if those madmen get their way, here's what life will be like under "peace loving" muslimism.

    Turkish Teen Buried Alive for Talking to Boys
    Updated: 2 hours 36 minutes ago

    Feb. 5) – Honor killings are not something new to many people in Turkey. But the death of a 16-year-old girl who was buried alive for talking to boys has been revealed to be a particularly gruesome killing and has stirred strong reactions. "The autopsy result is bloodcurdling," an unidentified official told the Anatolia news agency Thursday, Agence France-Press reported. "According to our findings, the girl -- who had no bruises on her body and no sign of narcotics or poison in her blood -- was alive and fully conscious when she was buried."

    The girl's father and grandfather are to be put on trial for burying her alive, reportedly because they thought her friendship with boys had brought shame and dishonor to the family. The body of Medine Memi was found in a sitting position with hands tied in a 6½-foot hole under a chicken coop at the family house in Kahta in southeast Turkey. Police discovered the body following a tip-off 40 days after she went missing, the agency said.

    According to a postmortem examination, the agency added, the girl's lungs and stomach contained significant amounts of soil, confirming she was alive when she was buried. The girl had repeatedly tried to tell the police that she had been beaten by her father and grandfather, the London Times reported today. "She tried to take refuge at the police station three times, and she was sent home three times," her mother, Immihan, said after the body was discovered in December..............

  • leavingwt

    Iran's leader orders higher enrichment of uranium

    Iran's president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad ordered his country's atomic agency on Sunday to begin the production of higher enriched uranium, a move that's likely to deepen international skepticism about the country's real intentions on the crucial issue of enriched uranium.

    In comments broadcast on state television, Ahmadinejad said: "God willing, 20 percent enrichment will start" to meet Iran 's needs. He did not give a date for the start of the enrichment process.

    He was speaking at a meeting attended by the head of Iran's atomic energy agency, Ali Akbar Salehi.

    Turning to Salehi, Ahmadinejad said: "Mr. Salehi, begin production of 20 percent" enriched uranium.

    Producing enriched uranium is the international community's core concern over Iran's disputed nuclear program since it can be used to make nuclear weapons . Iran says its program is for peaceful purposes.

    . . .

  • HappyGuy

    Talking and fighting, fighting and talking, just like I said.

    What was that llbh? Oh, you didn't have anyting to say about this latest news out of Iran. How surprising.

  • leavingwt

    China is not onboard, yet, but Russia appears to be willing to go along with sanctions. . .

    Officials from the United States, France and Russia called Monday for stronger measures against Tehran after Iran told the United Nations nuclear watchdog agency that it would begin enriching its stockpile of uranium for a medical reactor in Tehran as early as Tuesday.

    In Paris, the visiting United States defense secretary, Robert M. Gates, said the Obama administration and the other nations had reached out sincerely to reassure Iran and entice it to negotiate an end to its nuclear program.

    “All of these initiatives have been rejected,” Mr. Gates said. While “we must still try and find a peaceful way to resolve this issue,” he said, “the only path that is left to us at this point, it seems to me, is that pressure track. But it will require all of the international community to work together.”

    Separately, the French foreign minister, Bernard Kouchner, said, “The only thing we can do, alas, is apply sanctions given that negotiations are impossible.” In Moscow, Konstantin I. Kosachyov, the head of the foreign affairs committee in the lower house of the Russian Parliament, was quoted by the Interfax news agency as urging the international community to prepare “serious measures.”

    At issue is a proposal for Iran to swap its uranium stockpile for enriched uranium processed into fuel roads outside the country. Iran was initially reported last October to have accepted the proposal, but later backed away. Western officials say Iran has rejected the deal, but Tehran accuses the West of failing to respond to its proposals.

    Several of the world powers dealing with Iran’s nuclear issue are in favor President Obama’s call for tougher sanctions, but China has said such action could forestall a diplomatic solution to the nuclear crisis.

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