"God's morality is higher than yours" as an illegitimate argument

by gubberningbody 48 Replies latest jw friends

  • gubberningbody
    gubberningbody

    Burn, the problem with all this is that we don't even have a decent superhero.

    I can't even begin to imagine a conversation which could begin to explain it all...

    "So why was all this necessary, God? Was it really necessary to allow things to be able to develop in the way that they have? Did you simply have no choice? If you did have a choice, then why this as opposed to anything else?"

    "Well?"

    "God?"

    "Are you even there? Or are we just shitty little amoebas who have unfortunately acquired a bit too much in the sentience department?"

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    If you did have a choice, then why this as opposed to anything else?" "Are you even there? Or are we just shitty little amoebas who have unfortunately acquired a bit too much in the sentience department?"

    Some things are logically impossible gubberningbody. Such as: a square circle, 2 + 2 = 5, and free will for sentients without the possibility of choosing evil over good. Omnipotence does not mean the ability to commit a logical impossibility.

    BTS

  • gubberningbody
    gubberningbody

    Ah, Burn, but 2 things are wrong:

    1. Free will IS possible without evil if we have only free will to choose varieties of good.

    2. Your're right on two, but how that relates to anything said is beyond me.

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    :1. Free will IS possible without evil if we have only free will to choose varieties of good.

    Without evil, the term "good" is meaningless.

    Farkel

  • AllTimeJeff
    AllTimeJeff

    "God's Morality" ...... versus whose? "Us lowly humans?" "The Pagans?"

    People try to generally explain evil and or a lack of positive actions with silliness like "God", "Satan" and the like.

    The thought that "god is higher then you" or "gods morality is higher then yours" is a fallback position when trying to keep the invisible, indifferent deity's authority real.

    It's all about gods authority. Once the illusion of that superior morality has lost credibility, so does the priesthoods power of any religion that really stands in the place of god, and has the most to lose.

  • beksbks
    beksbks

    You said it Farkel!

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    1. Free will IS possible without evil if we have only free will to choose varieties of good.

    That is not true free will. And besides, evil is not merely the absolute absence of good, it is also the choosing of a lesser good over a greater one from among varieties of good.

    BTS

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    Whether God wants to admit it or not, there actually is an absolute standard of morality that is the highest, and cannot be topped. Any volitional act that is good for self and/or society is moral, and any volitional act that is bad for self and/or society is immoral.

    Why is this the highest possible standard? If everyone always did what was good for self and society, and no one ever did anything that was bad for self and/or society, the problems we see today would simply cease to exist. People getting old and dying? Someone would come up with the reason for this, and fix the problem. The economy is crap? Someone is going to create a huge company and create opportunities for millions in the process, and that company will always treat people fairly. The weather sucks? Someone is going to fix that problem, bringing tropical storms where droughts are and bringing dry spells in where it is soggy. Too many people? Someone is going to find a way to access, or perhaps even, create dimensions that were not there before. Pollution? Someone will find something to do with it that will create something that others need--and the landfills will start getting raided for raw materials.

    Even the government would change. The leaders, if they always obeyed this simple standard, would never pass bad laws, and only pass laws that were necessary to fix actual problems without creating new ones. No one would ever try to usurp other countries--rather, they would get busy creating extra dimensions so there would be room for an infinite number of people. Tax bills would plummet, since there would be no stupid regulators (the regulators would only be reviewing products and honestly informing people of what they find, so the customers could be the ultimate regulators).

    So simple, yet most people think morality needs to be so complicated. Thanks a bunch, Plato, for complicating such a simple thing by declaring that mankind is inherently evil and wicked. And, thanks to the religions for adding to the complication, making it almost impossible for an adult to realize that morality is inherently so simple that small children naturally practice it.

  • Deputy Dog
    Deputy Dog

    Burn

    1. Free will IS possible without evil if we have only free will to choose varieties of good.
    That is not true free will. And besides, evil is not merely the absolute absence of good, it is also the choosing of a lesser good over a greater one from among varieties of good.

    Free will would by default be anything but God's will.

    The free will issue aside, everyone seems to think that the purpose of the moral law is to make us better. When the law is meant to expose the evil that's already in the heart. Trying to use it on God just doesn't work.

  • gubberningbody
    gubberningbody

    DD, you have a strange "logic". I'm not sure that any of this makes sense:

    " When the law is meant to expose the evil that's already in the heart. Trying to use it on God just doesn't work."

    Who designed things such that "evil" is "in the heart"?

    Who says " Trying to use it on God just doesn't work."?

    Whar does " "using it on God" mean?

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