Goofy GB illustration someone related to me

by sir82 35 Replies latest jw friends

  • sir82

    Apparently GB member Geoff Jackson gave this illustration at a DC talk recently:

    Imagine you are watching an (American) football game - your team is behind by 6 points and time is nearly expired. Your team's quarterback throws a long pass, and a receiver makes the catch and is streaking toward the end zone. Then, at the 1-yard, he stops dead, and starts looking around for the stadium clock, to see how much time is left.

    What are you, the viewer, doing as you watch this on TV? Likely, you are screaming at the TV, yelling, "Run you idiot - don't look at the clock - RUN!"

    In these last days, some of our brothers have stopped running. They are in effect, looking around and wondering where we are in the stream of time--meanwhile, the angels in heaven, who know exactly how much time is left, are all standing around looking at us and screaming "RUN! Don't look for the clock - just run!"

    I'm sure the audience who who heard it just lapped it up. The guy who told me was all hot-n-bothered about it, and he had only heard about it.

    So what do you think? Are you all inspired now to go out and run, run, run?

  • blondie

    I wonder what Loesch thought of that illustration? Isn't he the anti football GB member?

  • kzjw

    Geoff said, "meanwhile, the angels in heaven, who know exactly how much time is left," is there a copy of this talk? Last time a checked a Bible(even the NWT), it said "no one knows the day or hour" so is that some new lite? I wanna see if the wife heard a similar talk during her DC this past weekend.

  • Albert Einstein
    Albert Einstein

    When it comes to you and JWs, the speaker was very right: RUN!!!! JUST RUN!!!!!!

    BTW - I have started already....


  • shopaholic

    He delivered this talk at the international convention in Germany. The crowd went wild for this talk!!!

  • sir82

    Re: "exactly how much time is left"....I'm going from memory, and from someone getting the information 3rd or 4th or 8th the original talk he may or may not have said "exactly.". But the idea is, the angels know far better than we do how close the end supposedly is.

    If the talk really was given in Germany at an international convention, it seems likely that someone has made a copy of it and posted it. I have no idea where though.

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  • blondie

    Maybe he assumes that since "we" are 34 more years into the time of the end that Jesus now knows and has shared it with the angels....right!

    *** w75 12/15 p. 768 Questions From Readers ***

    Does Jesus Christ know when the "great tribulation" will begin?

    He may, but we cannot say definitely that he does.

    Jesus foretold a "great tribulation" that will wipe out the wickedness we see around us. As to the time for this destruction, Jesus said: "Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father."—Matt. 24:3, 21, 36-42.

    Hence, when he was on earth as God’s king-designate, Jesus Christ did not know the set date for the beginning of the "great tribulation." He died and was raised to heavenly life at the right hand of God, awaiting the granting of full authority to rule and to ‘dash to pieces’ the nations. (Ps. 110:1; 2:6-9) Fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that he received that authority in 1914 C.E.; his "presence" began then. Ours, thus, is the generation to experience the "great tribulation." (Matt. 24:34; Rev. 11:15-18) Jesus also knows that, just as he knows how far along we are in human history since the creation of Adam and Eve.

    What is Jesus now doing? Revelation 6:1-8 shows that in 1914 C.E. he "went forth conquering and to complete his conquest." Mankind’s wars, food shortages and pestilences prove that this is the time when he is moving toward the completion of his conquest.

    Jesus will lead the heavenly armies in the "great tribulation." We are now deep into the period known as the time of the end, so God may already have made known to Christ the full battle strategy and schedule. But if Jesus has not yet learned the "day and hour" to "complete his conquest," he soon will learn it.

  • blondie

    Here the WTS makes it a trinitarian point going away from the original question which is still only their opinion.

    *** w96 8/1 pp. 30-31 Questions From Readers ***

    Does Jesus now know the timing of Armageddon?

    It seems quite reasonable to believe that he does.

    Some might wonder why the question even arises. Likely it is because of Jesus’ comment found at Matthew 24:36: "Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father." Note the phrase "nor the Son."

    This verse is part of Jesus’ reply to the apostles’ question: "When will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?" (Matthew 24:3) In his now famous prophecy about evidences making up "the sign," he foretold wars, food shortages, earthquakes, persecution of true Christians, and other things on earth that would indicate his presence. By this sign his followers could recognize that the end was near. He illustrated this proximity with the time when a fig tree begins to put out leaves, indicating that summer was near. He added: "Likewise also you, when you see all these things, know that he is near at the doors."—Matthew 24:33.

    But Jesus did not say precisely when the end would come. Rather, he stated what we read at Matthew 24:36. That is the reading in the NewWorldTranslationoftheHolyScriptures, and many modern Bibles read similarly. Yet, some older versions do not contain "nor the Son."

    For example, the Catholic DouayVersion reads: "But of that day and hour no one knoweth, not the angels of heaven, but the Father alone." The KingJamesVersion reads similarly. Why is "nor [or, neither] the Son" omitted, though it is found at Mark 13:32? Because back at the beginning of the 17th century when those two versions were prepared, the manuscripts the translators worked from did not contain the expression. In the meantime, though, many older Greek manuscripts have come to light. These, which are much closer to the time of Matthew’s original text, contain "nor the Son" at Matthew 24:36.

    Interestingly, the Catholic JerusalemBible includes the phrase, with a footnote saying that the Latin Vulgate omitted the expression "probably for theological reasons." Why, of course! Translators or copyists who believed in the Trinity might be tempted to omit a phrase that indicated that Jesus lacked knowledge that his Father had. How could Jesus not know a certain fact if both he and his Father were parts of a triune God?

    Similarly, ATextualCommentaryontheGreekNewTestament, by B. M. Metzger, says: "The words ‘neither the Son’ are lacking in the majority of the [manuscript] witnesses of Matthew, including the later Byzantine text. On the other hand, the best representatives of the Alexandrian, the Western, and the Caesarean types of text contain the phrase. The omissionofthewordsbecauseofthedoctrinaldifficultytheypresent is more probable than their addition by assimilation to" Mark 13:32.—Italics ours.

    Those "best representatives" of earlier manuscripts support the reading that sets out a reasonable progression as to knowledge. The angels did not know the hour of the end; nor did the Son; but only the Father. And this is consistent with Jesus’ words found at Matthew 20:23, where he admitted that he did not have authority to grant prominent places in the Kingdom, but the Father did.

    Hence, Jesus’ own words show that on earth he did not know the date for ‘the end of the world.’ Has he learned it since?

    Revelation 6:2 describes Jesus as seated on a white horse and going forth "conquering and to complete his conquest." Next comes horsemen representing wars, famines, and plagues, such as we have experienced since World War I began in 1914. Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that in 1914, Jesus was enthroned as King of God’s heavenly Kingdom, the one to lead in the coming battle against wickedness on earth. (Revelation 6:3-8; 19:11-16) Since Jesus has now been empowered as the one to conquer in God’s name, it seems reasonable that his Father has told him when the end will come, when he will "complete his conquest."

    We on earth have not been told that date, so Jesus’ words still apply to us: "Keep looking, keep awake, for you do not know when the appointed time is. . . . What I say to you I say to all, Keep on the watch."—Mark 13:33-37.

  • WTWizard

    In a football game, the players know where the goal line is, and will do all they can to cross it with the ball regardless of how much time there is. (Unless, that is, they are ahead 60-0 and there is only a few seconds left in the game.) They know that, in just a second, that effort will conclude regardless of whether there is one second or a whole quarter ahead.

    However, the witlesses have no idea of where the goal line is. They are expected to just keep going and going--they are stopping now because they are way past the 100 yard line, way past the goal, and no one has yet announced the touchdown. That's when they realize that they are wasting their time running--unless running means running out of the whole scam.

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